Dear Guy, Yes of course. You can combine voucher scheme and grants. There is no restrictions, except that voucher scheme is regulated through membership fee of the country.

Please note that EU-countries are no longer in category of developing countries. That is, Slovenia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, etc.

With best regards Dipak

At 09:37 2004-09-10 +0200, Guy Leduc wrote:

Dear Otto, Dipak,

At 8:48 +0200 10/09/04, Otto Spaniol wrote:

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Dear all,

please find enclosed the report of Dipak Khakhar for IFIP GA concerning the DCSC (Developing Countries Support Committee) grant situation.

It contains the grants which have been given in 2004 and those which will be given in 2005.

In 2005, TC6 will receive grants for Middleware 2005 and for MWCN 2005 (in both cases 1.500 EURO).

Thanks for the good news!

...

Furthermore there is a description of a "voucher scheme" which gives information about how to apply for grants and for which purpose the grants may be given.

For Middleware, these 1500 EUR will be used to support part of the costs of 2 young researchers from IFIP developing countries attending the conference.

While reading the Voucher Scheme below, I was wondering how this scheme could be practically applied in this case. Note that the 2 researchers will only be know (selected) e.g. 2 months before the event. If their National Society has to be involved in the process in order to benefit from an additional suppport under this voucher scheme, this seems unpractical. Probably what is missing in this document is the application procedure (a list of actions) a candidate should follow to benefit from it. It's not even clear to me who has to launch/handle the process: The student? The National Society? The conference organizer? ...

Best regards, Guy

...

Best regards Otto

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Otto

I couldn't agree with you more on the issue of the event form. Excellent idea to simplify it and provide an excell file that the organizers can use..

Harry

On Sep 10, 2004, at 10:53 AM, Otto Spaniol wrote:

Dear Dipak (and all),

there is an *urgent* need to simplify the event request forms.

Practically nobody delivers even a half-correct version. In most cases the figures presented are more or less (or even totally) ridiculous, in particular on page 2 where the budget is presented.

Today I received a particularly nice example where the break even number of participants was calculated by (believe it or not!): 0.07 participants.

Later on I checked other forms of the past and I found that the break even point for another conference (a very prominent TC6 conference) was given as: - 50 paricipants (yes, minus fifty !!!).

Wouldn't it be possible to prepare a self-explaining Excel sheet for the budget?

If things stay as they are the budget informations are totally useless and I will refrain from trying to correct strange request forms in the future.

Best regards

cc.: Christiane McKenzie (IFIP Secretariat) Otto

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Dear Otto,

You're right. The budget is useless anyway because IFIP does not share the surplus, nor the losses. If the budget is wrong, this is the problem of the organizer, not ours, so why do we care?

I've spent so much time iterating with the many organizers until they have a sensible budget (knowing perfectly well that no one would even read it), that I think we should stop this silly process.

Or perhaps should we clarify that the budgetary information has only to be provided when there is some surplus/loss share by IFIP. This case has never happened in TC6 during the last 6 years but, who knows, could be useful some day.

According to me the only relevant and mandatory budgetary information on the ERF should be the explicit mention of the IFIP fee per participant. [And note that this field is *not* present on the current ERF.] Going further is only speculations. We will only know the number of participants at the end. I also advise to clarify on the ERF which participants are taken into account: for example the number of *paying* participants, not counting invited speakers, local staff, etc. as this is usually the case.

Best regards, Guy

At 16:53 +0200 10/09/04, Otto Spaniol wrote:

Dear Dipak (and all),

there is an *urgent* need to simplify the event request forms.

Practically nobody delivers even a half-correct version. In most cases the figures presented are more or less (or even totally) ridiculous, in particular on page 2 where the budget is presented.

Today I received a particularly nice example where the break even number of participants was calculated by (believe it or not!): 0.07 participants.

Later on I checked other forms of the past and I found that the break even point for another conference (a very prominent TC6 conference) was given as: - 50 paricipants (yes, minus fifty !!!).

Wouldn't it be possible to prepare a self-explaining Excel sheet for the budget?

If things stay as they are the budget informations are totally useless and I will refrain from trying to correct strange request forms in the future.

Best regards

cc.: Christiane McKenzie (IFIP Secretariat) Otto

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