Dear All
Perhaps I am responsible for starting this avalanche of emails re. the IEEE/IFIP sponsorship. In my 6.10 report, as you wil find out, I am requesting that the 6.10 conference ONDM become a joint IFIP/IEEE conference. You will find my reasoning and justifications in my report. If ONDM becomes a IFIP/IEEE joint conference, FIP stands to loose income from the publication of the ONDM proceedings, but on the other hand they stand to gain money from a larger group of participants. (I am not sure if this will result to a positive or negative flow at the end!!)
My motivation for seeking this joint sponsorship comes from my desire to launch a truly international conference on Optical Networks. TC 6 has no criticial mass in optical networks (unlike for instance, areas such as performance evaluation, or ATM networks back a few years ago). IEEE's ONTC has a critical mass, but they do not have a conference of their own... So, this marriage is likely to generate the correct environment within which a successful international conference can be born.
Unfortunately, I will not attend the meeting...
Harry P.
On Oct 7, 2004, at 8:56 AM, Augusto Casaca wrote:
Dear Otto,
I share your concern, but let me first try to have all the facts in hand. I attach the table of TC6 conferences that I prepared last December and which reflects the sponsorship of all our conferences. Some of them are co-sponsored by IEEE, such as WG 6.6 conferences, which are like that already for a considerable number of years. Besides those conferences, only IWQOS and MWCN are co-sponsored by IEEE.
Which other conferences are now asking for co-sponsorship? Could you please identify if they are new conferences or some of those already mentioned in the table?
Best regards
Augusto
-----Original Message----- From: ifip-tc6-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE [mailto:ifip-tc6-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE] On Behalf Of Otto Spaniol Sent: quinta-feira, 7 de Outubro de 2004 13:01 To: ifip-tc6@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: [ifip-tc6] Joint IFIP/IEEE events
Dear all,
[this is a very personal and probably highly controversal note - and I would like to get your comments on the topic]
I receive more and more proposals for joint IEEE/IFIP organisation of conferences. Interestingly enough this initiatives come very rarely or never from the IEEE side but only from IFIP. Apparently the organisors of these (former) IFIP events expect a very positive outcome by means of the good name of IEEE, the better visibility, increased distribution,.. Very often a cheaper publishing with a better inclusion in digital libraries etc. is assumed.
To my (personal) opinion this development is risky. There is a danger that the following will happen:
- Joint organisation IFIP/IEEE with IFIP as main sponsor (but not any more as full sponsor)
- Publication by IEEE with reduced royalties for IFIP
- IFIP only as a co-sponsor or "in cooperation with"
- The event disappears from the IFIP calendar.
This sequence has already happened for some of our (former) events.
If things continue to go like that then where is the remaining need for IFIP? I just received a ballot slip where I'm asked to vote for a dissolution of ICCC (and I don't even believe that this is a joke)!!! Some of the explanations for this proposal read as follows: "The organisation has served its original purpose admirably and with considerable consequence... Meanwhile, countless other organisations have been formed or have expanded to occupy the field first opened by our organisation. Those organisations have come to dominate in industrialised nations, including Europe and the United States. In many instances their technical, policy or business objectives are broader than our own and have expanded to cover topics traditionally addressed by ICCC. ...." To my opinion, this is nothing but a declaration of bankruptcy. The formulations might, however, just be repeated (replacing ICCC by IFIP or by IFIP TC6) if we continue to give up our major strength, namely the organisation of high-class events with full responsibility.
Best regards (and please comment!) Otto
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