Dear all,
Guy Leduc wrote:
Harry,
This is not the first similar initiative of Springer. In 2005 they offered another token to get access to a subset of their DL for free. I had tried it, but it was not very useful because very limited.
I've also introduced this new 'ifip' token which indeed gives access to some IFIP books. Let's keep in mind that this is only for one year though. ANyway this is a very nice initiative that we should support. Did IFIP "ask" them to do so, or is it their own initiative?
I suppose that this activity is in line with Springers trials for establishing an own "real" digital library. And it is probably a reaction to the continuous pressure by IFIP to make "something" in direction to a DL.
This is somehow odd given that in the other email from Otto they are not really willing to do anything in support of an IFIP DL.
Springer explained at the council meeting that they would not be interested in being the outsource provider for an intermediate digital library. For the third step, namely a "real" DL (at which cost?), Springer didn't make a statement. Concerning the intermediate digital library there was the "offer" made by Britisch Computer Society to take over their system which is not overwhelmingly powerful. When asked about cost Roger Johnson said that it would be 50 British Pounds per paper handled. According to him, this would be the same which is asked for BCS internally. Behind the doors, some people believed that this price is enormous. What do you think? Anyway, there was no decision made in Palma whether to take over the BCS system for IFIP or not.
I have no idea whether IFIP asked Springer to set up such a system or how it happened. On some days it is hard to believe that we are all working together for IFIP ---- there do seem to be some real communications problems.
Yes indeed, there are communication problems and misunderstanding. Let me give an example: In the recent email received from Guy P. where he recalls the story about the discussions with Springer (I attach the first part of the email below) you will see that there is a lot on Belize, South Korea and of bad snow) but you will also see that I was never on the recipients list of all those messages. You may imagine that I'm usually surprised about questions made in the IFIP publication committee when it comes to the problem of TC6 journal since I don' get any information about that.
Thus communication should be really improved for a technical committee whose name is "communication systems".
I am beginning to think that within TC6 we should decide what we think is best and do it, probably on a small scale with just one or two meeting proceedings, being careful to avoid copyright problems and stepping on other people's toes as hard as they are stepping on ours!
Really I would like to see a concrete action rather than learning that agreed projects die (exceprt form a message received by Harry P.):
I was suprised to read in Otto's first message that Amy was looking for Guy P. and me. We (Guy P. and I) did have a tele-conference with Jennifer, and she liked our basic idea, i.e. that of accepting the 5 best papers from each conference plus papers submitted inependently of conferences. She insisted that we should expand this model to non-IFIP conferences, and she encourged us to provide some more information plus some 500 hundred emails of networking people who they could poll to see if there was interest in such a Journal. The idea was to publish a regular Journal. She was hoping that we would give her this information prior to an IFIP meeting. We never submitted the stuff Jennifer requested, and I personally never received any messages from Amy. The project died because I did not feel like pursuing it further. I was being battered by Otto about a
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ???? I don't understand at all ???
strawman proposal for a new optical networking conference, which put me off doing anything for IFIP and its glory (you all know the rest of the story). I was also a little burnt out from too much work. So, I went sailing to the Chesapeake Bay !! (highly recommended for releasing stress ..not to mention their crab cakes!!)
An open electronic journal may be the best solution but we will have to find a real sponsor for that. This is easier said than done. Concrete proposals are more than welcome.
Best regards Otto
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The beginning of Guy Pujolle's message (everybody got a copy of it):
Otto, Sorry for the late answer. I did not look at more of my email for a week. May be some questions are discussed more in details in next mails. Concerning the IFIP Journal and the events, you will find in the following an exchange of emails that finished on a confcall. In this confcall it was asked us all the email files we have to eventually advertized the future Journal, to produce a large number of contacts and a lot of things so that Springer can think about the possibility or not to launch the Journal. The very pessimistic conclusion of this confcall was interpreted by Harry and I as a negative answer to our proposal. However, we prepared a new proposal that was stopped by the conflict between Otto and Harry. At that point we were thinking Harry and I to have a free journal and DL, etc. So may be the Springer message after the confcall was not correctly intrepreted by Harry and I but I am not sure about that. I will be reading next mails during the week-end. Best regards, Guy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com To: "Harry Perros" hp@csc.ncsu.edu Cc: "Guy Pujolle" Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr; "IFIP Mailbox" ifip@springer-sbm.com; r.johnson@bcs.org.uk; "Klaus Brunnstein" brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de; "Eduard Dundler" eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Let's make a start with a call between us anyway. OK? If so please send me you number, and I'll call you at 9:15 (bad snow!!). Hopefully Guy will read this mail by then and be able to join.
From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/26/2005 11:16 AM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Guy Pujolle; IFIP Mailbox; r.johnson@bcs.org.uk; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hallo Jeniffer:
I am acually free this Friday 9 am. I don't know about Guy, though. He sometimes travels a lot. I he is to join us, it wil be from France.
Harry
On Jan 26, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Evans, Jennifer wrote:
Dear Harry,
I would love to come to Belize. Not sure I can though! When will you next both be together?
I can have a teleconference on this Friday at 9AM NYC time. Does this work for you?
Jennifer
From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/12/2005 9:06 PM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Lambert, Yana; Guy Pujolle; r.johnson@bcs.org.uk; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hi Jennifer
As Guy said we will not be going to South Korea. Maybe we can setup a teleconference.. unless you feel like coming down to Belize !!
Harry
On Jan 12, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Guy Pujolle wrote:
I don't think so. From March 1 to 13, I will be with Harry and participating in a workshop in Belize on March 11 and 12. Best regards, Guy _______________________________________________ Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr - LIP6-CNRS - Université Paris 6 Assistante: Laetitia.Jacquey@lip6.fr, Tel: +33 1 44 27 87 74 - Fax: +33 1 44 27 87 83
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com To: "Harry Perros" hp@csc.ncsu.edu Cc: "Lambert, Yana" Yana.Lambert@springer-sbm.com; "Guy Pujolle" Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr; r.johnson@bcs.org.uk; "Klaus Brunnstein" brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de; "Eduard Dundler" eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Dear Harry and Guy, I assume you will be in South Korea at the end
of
February? Jennifer
-----Original Message----- From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:20 PM To: Jennifer Evans Cc: Yana Lambert; Guy Pujolle; r.johnson@bcs.org.uk; Klaus Brunnstein; Harry Perros; Eduard Dundler Subject: A strawman proposal for a new Journal