Dear all,
until now (approx. four hours since sending my corresonding message) only one -but very detailed and constructive - answer has been obtained concerning the IFIP strategy document.
We need an earlier deadine since Basie von Solms leaves for Europe already on June 6 and needs the comments by June 5.
Thus either you send your comments directly to him or send it to me *** until June 1 ***. (June 4 + 5 are holidays in catholic countries).
Best regards Otto
<> Dear Otto and TC6 Members, <>
After our last meeting in Coimbra and with the excellent contact given by Augusto Casaca (thanks again, Augusto) I contacted the Rector of the /Instituto Superior de Transportes e Comunicações (ISUTC)/, in Maputo (Mozambique) (http://www.transcom.co.mz/isutc/investigacao.html), in order to explore the opportunity of new activities for WG 6.9.
In a first attempt I suggested him the possibility of organizing some kind of events there, as for instance, some postgraduate courses in the area of networking that could be organized in the framework of continuous training offered by the University, or a set of seminars/tutorials.
I convey to him that my idea is not to organize the better for TC6 but the most profitable for them. So in my opinion, first we must hear from ISUTC. Because they are who better know their needs and lacks. So, enclosed is the answer of the Rector. He gives us an accurate idea of their reality and suggests us some possibilities of cooperation. He also suggests the possibility of sending a “fact finding mission” to explore the situation.
(My comment to this: the mission could be the opportunity to offer them some tutorials of their interest)
But, I do not know about the capacity of TC6 of assuming possible agreements neither about our final intentions.
So, I would like to hear from you before sending an answer to the Rector. I promise to write him by mid-July.
My best regards
<>Ana
___________________________________________________- Dear Prof. Ana Pont Sanjuan After Prof. Ferraz de Oliveira's recent visit to Maputo, and following the exchanges of views with him, I would like to convey to you our interest in setting up some sort of cooperation with IFIP or, through IFIP, with other institutions or individuals (I am not exactlly sure of how it works, but I'm sure I will learn in the future). As you are certainly aware, ISUTC is a fairly small HEI (less than 500 students at present, growing slowly up to a desirable size of some 7 ou 8 hundred in the next few years). We are poised on the transport and communications sector and our main concern is the technological side of it. Apart from a degree course ("Licenciatura" - 4 years) on Management and Finance, attended by some 28% of our students, we run 3 Engineering Licenciaturas (5 years), the most popular of which is "Licenciatura em Engenharia Informática e de Telecomunicações" - LEIT. It goes without saying that, given our underdevelopment situation, it is not an easy task to gather a sound and reliable group of lecturers to reach the kind of standards that we would like to have. Due to our small size, we cannot afford to have many permanent satff, so most of our teaching staff are partime, recruited from the local enterprises. Not allways is this a good solution, but it is the only within our reach. We have some input from Cuba, through a Convenio-Marco with "Universidad Central de Las Villas", which has been a good contribution. Reaching worldwide acceptable standards seems a dream in our present circumstances. Therefore, we content ourselves with aiming at producing graduates that are some 10% or 15% better than those from our fellow/competitor local instituions. If we can achieve this, it is already a victory (it is too early to say if this is happening; our first graduates finished just over one year ago and we do not have sufficiente feedback yet). Inputs of the kind Prof. Ferraz de Oliveira mentioned would be welcome. I think we could gain from receiving the assistance of experts in various fields, still to be better identified. Some suggestions mentioned in the e-mail exchange between you and him sound interesting to us. I refer, namely, to short duration courses (for ourselves and/or for the public), lecturing one or other of our semester courses (normally lasting 15 weeks) in a block arrangement of 2 or 3 weeks, etc. Being the only institution concerned with this kind of activity for transport and communications, we are very well positioned locally with regard to the main public and private operators, regulatory and governmental bodies in this field. Just to give you an example, our University Council (meeting twice a year) includes the Chairmen of Mozambique Telecom (TDM), Mozambique Airlines (LAM), ADM (airports), INCM (the national telecom regulatory body), CFM (railways), the actual Minister of Industry and Commerce (because he was previously Vice Minister of Tr.&Com. and member of our faculty), and several others. In the site http://www.transcom.co.mz/isutc/formacao_continua.html that you have already visited, you find the names of various of these and other institutions for which we have already run tailor-made courses for top management, technical staff, etc. One such course was on " Liberalization in Telecommunications" (2 weeks full time), given twice, first to INCM and then to TDM. However, the cost of such actions (heavily based on experts invited commercially from Europe), renders them difficult to sell! I mention this because I think that we could provide much more of this kind of services to local management, engineers, technitians, if their cost were alleviated by some sort of non-commmercial inputs; there is a good potential of interested people and organizations, and we could have a fairly easy access to them. For years now I have been thinking of holding a Master's Degree course (2 year, first year filled with several block-modules, followed by a second year for dissertation). Of course we do not consider ourselves to be sufficiently establsished to dare awarding such a degree on our own, so we would have to associate with a well reputed institution from abroad, also because we do not have the capacity and expertise to do it alone. For this purpose, I favour the field of ICT, Telecommunications, where I am sure there would be a substantial number of professional willing to undergo such training and enroll in such a course. One other thing that could be very helpful would be some sort of support for post-graduation studies of our staff (mind you, we are short of people to submit to such training, but this is in part due to the fact that we do not have the resources to be able to compete with other HEI; they manage to recruit some potentially brilliant youngsters with the promise of a Master's or Doctoral's course; we have lost some good candidates because of this). This could go as far as providing ful-fledged scholarships, if there are resources. Presently I have one coleague doing his PhD with Universidade do Minho - Portugal (he is staged here and goes there once a year), plus two doing Master's degrees. This has been possible on the basis of a government soft loan that covers part of the expenses. However, all the three of them are doing this on top of their regular lecturing and managerial duties, which is not easy for anybody. I have mentioned these possibilities just to give you an idea of things that could be useful to us. However, a better knowledge of what IFIP is capable or likes to do would certainly bring up other ideas. I believe it would be useful if you could send us a "fact finding mission", for a few days or a week. We could show what we have, speak our ideas, hear their suggestions, put them in touch with other local organizations. Important to us is also the question of financial arrangements (who pays what?). Perhaps, after such encounter, we might be in a better position to start thinking of an actual plan. Please let me know if there is something in particular that you would like me to expand on, or to clarify. Or send me some more information on this matter. Best regards André Carvalho Reitor do ISUTC
Dear Ana and dear other delegates,
After our last meeting in Coimbra and with the excellent contact given by Augusto Casaca (thanks again, Augusto) I contacted the Rector of the /Instituto Superior de Transportes e Comunicações (ISUTC)/, in Maputo (Mozambique) (http://www.transcom.co.mz/isutc/investigacao.html), in order to explore the opportunity of new activities for WG 6.9.
In a first attempt I suggested him the possibility of organizing some kind of events there, as for instance, some postgraduate courses in the area of networking that could be organized in the framework of continuous training offered by the University, or a set of seminars/tutorials.
I convey to him that my idea is not to organize the better for TC6 but the most profitable for them. So in my opinion, first we must hear from ISUTC. Because they are who better know their needs and lacks. So, enclosed is the answer of the Rector. He gives us an accurate idea of their reality and suggests us some possibilities of cooperation. He also suggests the possibility of sending a "fact finding mission" to explore the situation.
(My comment to this: the mission could be the opportunity to offer them some tutorials of their interest)
But, I do not know about the capacity of TC6 of assuming possible agreements neither about our final intentions.
So, I would like to hear from you before sending an answer to the Rector. I promise to write him by mid-July.
Thank you very much for your very promising initiative.
I suggest to do the cooperation in association with the United Nations University (Antonio Cerone antonio@iist.unu.edu) whose email of Jaunuary 26 is attached since I don't know whether this message went to all delegates. In his email, he mentions Maghreb, China or other Asian countries but I suppose that he would be happy with South Africa (i.e. Mozambique) as well as with North Africa (i.e. Maghreb). The fact that UNU favours formal methods should also not be serious. He has mentioned that by himself in his email. And TC6 has conferences such as FORTE (Formal Techniques). Thus no problems here.
The language problem mentioned by Andre Danthine is of importance. Here is an excerpt of his message which was not transmitted to all delegates:
----- What is the situation of Mozambique ? Is the portuguese still the official language ? As Mozambique is now part of the Commonwealth, is English used in the Universities for lecturing ?
Lecturing in a block arrangement of 2 to 3 weeks is possible but I believe that the best framework to do it, is through from existing cooperation program of education sponsored by European Programs or National Programs. I do not see how IFIP or TC6 will be able to provide the resources.
For TC6,supporting the travel expenses for seminars or tutorials for a very limited number of people is possible assuming that the accomodation expenses will be supported locally. However I doubt that a stay of several weeks will be possible for many people of the TC6 and its working groups. -----
Concerning the resources:
1. UNU appears to be willing to contribute - also financially.
2. TC6 could (as usual) pay for the travel cost for some tutorialists; hard seats please.
3. Accomodation cost should be covered by the host country.
Course duration:
1. It will be rarely possible that delegates can do two week courses since this will be in conflict with other duties. On the other hand, courses of 3-5 days duration might be possible for many.
2. A particular problem is related to practicals, exercises,... This may hardly be done by the tutorialist. At least I believe that she or he is not really enthusiastic about that. Thus the ideal case would be to find someone in the host country who might help here. But this person (if existing) would ask for payment. Maybe it would then be better than nothing if we organise tutorials withour exerceise (not really perfect but....).
My recommendation is that you contact André Carvalho (Reitor do ISUTC) encouraging him to set up such a cooperation - maybe for second half of 2007; this would give us enough time to finalize the details together with United Nation University.
Best wishes Otto
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Email received by Antonio Cerone:
Dear Ana,
UNU-IIST would be very happy to collaborate with the IFIP TC6 working group 6.9 - Communication Systems for Developing Countries.
UNU-IIST training programs are addressed to developing countries by organising courses and schools in developing countries and inviting researchers, lecturers and postgraduate students to Macao to undertake a research project for 9 months. We also have a joint PhD programme with the University of Pisa for students from developing countries and also postdoc positions open to people from any countries. You can find more information on our activities at our website http://www.iist.unu.edu/ in particular under "School and Courses".
From what I have seen at
http://www.ifip.tu-graz.ac.at/TC6/handbook.htm#AS69 it looks like your working group and my institution have similar goals toward developing countries. (Please let me know if there are better links that describe the mission and activities of your working group.)
UNU-IIST focus more on formal methods rather than communication systems, but we have experienced in the recent school on Advanced Topics in Networking, Security and Verification, held in Indonesia (Prof Otto Spaniol was among the lectures), that the two areas can be successfully combined within the same event. So there is definitely scope for cooperation. Moreover, we are also happy to give our support in organising events in areas other than formal methods. So, if you have in mind specific places or specific events, please let me know and we can help with support and in finding local contacts. Do you have any specific event in mind to be organised in Magreb, China and other Asian countries? One possibility for a permanent collaboration would be to create a regular school to be held in a different developing country (possibly a different continent) every year. Maybe something like the school we organised in Indonesia.
Regarding Magreb, at the moment we are organising a School in Tunisia (http://www.iist.unu.edu/ICTAC2006/School/), associated with the ICTAC 2006 conference. Please let me know if you are interested in supporting the event or in being actively involved in the organisation and in which form. I can talk to the local orgnisers and the other sponsors about it.
Looking forward to collaborating with you.
Best regards.
Antonio
Please do not forget as well to include South America besides this effort !!
Neuman.
On 7/7/06, Otto Spaniol spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de wrote:
Dear Ana and dear other delegates,
After our last meeting in Coimbra and with the excellent contact given by Augusto Casaca (thanks again, Augusto) I contacted the Rector of the /Instituto Superior de Transportes e Comunicações (ISUTC)/, in Maputo (Mozambique) (http://www.transcom.co.mz/isutc/investigacao.html), in order to explore the opportunity of new activities for WG 6.9.
In a first attempt I suggested him the possibility of organizing some kind of events there, as for instance, some postgraduate courses in the area of networking that could be organized in the framework of continuous training offered by the University, or a set of seminars/tutorials.
I convey to him that my idea is not to organize the better for TC6 but the most profitable for them. So in my opinion, first we must hear from ISUTC. Because they are who better know their needs and lacks. So, enclosed is the answer of the Rector. He gives us an accurate idea of their reality and suggests us some possibilities of cooperation. He also suggests the possibility of sending a "fact finding mission" to explore the situation.
(My comment to this: the mission could be the opportunity to offer them some tutorials of their interest)
But, I do not know about the capacity of TC6 of assuming possible agreements neither about our final intentions.
So, I would like to hear from you before sending an answer to the Rector. I promise to write him by mid-July.
Thank you very much for your very promising initiative.
I suggest to do the cooperation in association with the United Nations University (Antonio Cerone antonio@iist.unu.edu) whose email of Jaunuary 26 is attached since I don't know whether this message went to all delegates. In his email, he mentions Maghreb, China or other Asian countries but I suppose that he would be happy with South Africa (i.e. Mozambique) as well as with North Africa (i.e. Maghreb). The fact that UNU favours formal methods should also not be serious. He has mentioned that by himself in his email. And TC6 has conferences such as FORTE (Formal Techniques). Thus no problems here.
The language problem mentioned by Andre Danthine is of importance. Here is an excerpt of his message which was not transmitted to all delegates:
What is the situation of Mozambique ? Is the portuguese still the official language ? As Mozambique is now part of the Commonwealth, is English used in the Universities for lecturing ?
Lecturing in a block arrangement of 2 to 3 weeks is possible but I believe that the best framework to do it, is through from existing cooperation program of education sponsored by European Programs or National Programs. I do not see how IFIP or TC6 will be able to provide the resources.
For TC6,supporting the travel expenses for seminars or tutorials for a very limited number of people is possible assuming that the accomodation expenses will be supported locally. However I doubt that a stay of several weeks will be possible for many people of the TC6 and its working groups.
Concerning the resources:
UNU appears to be willing to contribute - also financially.
TC6 could (as usual) pay for the travel cost for some tutorialists; hard seats please.
Accomodation cost should be covered by the host country.
Course duration:
It will be rarely possible that delegates can do two week courses since this will be in conflict with other duties. On the other hand, courses of 3-5 days duration might be possible for many.
A particular problem is related to practicals, exercises,... This may hardly be done by the tutorialist. At least I believe that she or he is not really enthusiastic about that. Thus the ideal case would be to find someone in the host country who might help here. But this person (if existing) would ask for payment. Maybe it would then be better than nothing if we organise tutorials withour exerceise (not really perfect but....).
My recommendation is that you contact André Carvalho (Reitor do ISUTC) encouraging him to set up such a cooperation - maybe for second half of 2007; this would give us enough time to finalize the details together with United Nation University.
Best wishes Otto
Email received by Antonio Cerone:
Dear Ana,
UNU-IIST would be very happy to collaborate with the IFIP TC6 working group 6.9 - Communication Systems for Developing Countries.
UNU-IIST training programs are addressed to developing countries by organising courses and schools in developing countries and inviting researchers, lecturers and postgraduate students to Macao to undertake a research project for 9 months. We also have a joint PhD programme with the University of Pisa for students from developing countries and also postdoc positions open to people from any countries. You can find more information on our activities at our website http://www.iist.unu.edu/ in particular under "School and Courses".
From what I have seen at
http://www.ifip.tu-graz.ac.at/TC6/handbook.htm#AS69 it looks like your working group and my institution have similar goals toward developing countries. (Please let me know if there are better links that describe the mission and activities of your working group.)
UNU-IIST focus more on formal methods rather than communication systems, but we have experienced in the recent school on Advanced Topics in Networking, Security and Verification, held in Indonesia (Prof Otto Spaniol was among the lectures), that the two areas can be successfully combined within the same event. So there is definitely scope for cooperation. Moreover, we are also happy to give our support in organising events in areas other than formal methods. So, if you have in mind specific places or specific events, please let me know and we can help with support and in finding local contacts. Do you have any specific event in mind to be organised in Magreb, China and other Asian countries? One possibility for a permanent collaboration would be to create a regular school to be held in a different developing country (possibly a different continent) every year. Maybe something like the school we organised in Indonesia.
Regarding Magreb, at the moment we are organising a School in Tunisia (http://www.iist.unu.edu/ICTAC2006/School/), associated with the ICTAC 2006 conference. Please let me know if you are interested in supporting the event or in being actively involved in the organisation and in which form. I can talk to the local orgnisers and the other sponsors about it.
Looking forward to collaborating with you.
Best regards.
Antonio
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Dear Otto,
Can India play a role in some positive and constructive way? Can Ana think of some thing? The suggestions doing round seems very familiar.
Professor S V Raghavan Department of Computer Science and Engineering Indian Institute of Technology Madras Chennai 600036 INDIA Tel: 91 44 2257 4359 Fax: 91 44 2257 0563 Res: 91 44 2257 6359 Email: svr@cs.iitm.ernet.in Web: http://netlab.cs.iitm.ernet.in http://netlab.cs.iiitm.ernet.in/
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From: ifip-tc6-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE [mailto:ifip-tc6-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE] On Behalf Of Neuman Souza Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:56 PM To: Otto Spaniol Cc: Ana Pont Sanjuan; ifip-tc6@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: [ifip-tc6] cooperation with Mozambique
Please do not forget as well to include South America besides this effort !!
Neuman. On 7/7/06, Otto Spaniol < mailto:spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: Dear Ana and dear other delegates,
After our last meeting in Coimbra and with the excellent contact given by Augusto Casaca (thanks again, Augusto) I contacted the Rector of the /Instituto Superior de Transportes e Comunicações (ISUTC)/, in Maputo (Mozambique) (http://www.transcom.co.mz/isutc/investigacao.html), in order to explore the opportunity of new activities for WG 6.9.
In a first attempt I suggested him the possibility of organizing some kind of events there, as for instance, some postgraduate courses in the area of networking that could be organized in the framework of continuous training offered by the University, or a set of seminars/tutorials.
I convey to him that my idea is not to organize the better for TC6 but the most profitable for them. So in my opinion, first we must hear from ISUTC. Because they are who better know their needs and lacks. So, enclosed is the answer of the Rector. He gives us an accurate idea of their reality and suggests us some possibilities of cooperation. He also suggests the possibility of sending a "fact finding mission" to explore the situation.
(My comment to this: the mission could be the opportunity to offer them some tutorials of their interest)
But, I do not know about the capacity of TC6 of assuming possible agreements neither about our final intentions.
So, I would like to hear from you before sending an answer to the Rector. I promise to write him by mid-July.
Thank you very much for your very promising initiative.
I suggest to do the cooperation in association with the United Nations University (Antonio Cerone <antonio@iist.unu.edu mailto:antonio@iist.unu.edu >) whose email of Jaunuary 26 is attached since I don't know whether this message went to all delegates. In his email, he mentions Maghreb, China or other Asian countries but I suppose that he would be happy with South Africa ( i.e. Mozambique) as well as with North Africa (i.e. Maghreb). The fact that UNU favours formal methods should also not be serious. He has mentioned that by himself in his email. And TC6 has conferences such as FORTE (Formal Techniques). Thus no problems here.
The language problem mentioned by Andre Danthine is of importance. Here is an excerpt of his message which was not transmitted to all delegates:
----- What is the situation of Mozambique ? Is the portuguese still the official language ? As Mozambique is now part of the Commonwealth, is English used in the Universities for lecturing ?
Lecturing in a block arrangement of 2 to 3 weeks is possible but I believe that the best framework to do it, is through from existing cooperation program of education sponsored by European Programs or National Programs. I do not see how IFIP or TC6 will be able to provide the resources.
For TC6,supporting the travel expenses for seminars or tutorials for a very limited number of people is possible assuming that the accomodation expenses will be supported locally. However I doubt that a stay of several weeks will be possible for many people of the TC6 and its working groups. -----
Concerning the resources:
1. UNU appears to be willing to contribute - also financially.
2. TC6 could (as usual) pay for the travel cost for some tutorialists; hard seats please.
3. Accomodation cost should be covered by the host country.
Course duration:
1. It will be rarely possible that delegates can do two week courses since this will be in conflict with other duties. On the other hand, courses of 3-5 days duration might be possible for many.
2. A particular problem is related to practicals, exercises,... This may hardly be done by the tutorialist. At least I believe that she or he is not really enthusiastic about that. Thus the ideal case would be to find someone in the host country who might help here. But this person (if existing) would ask for payment. Maybe it would then be better than nothing if we organise tutorials withour exerceise (not really perfect but....).
My recommendation is that you contact André Carvalho (Reitor do ISUTC) encouraging him to set up such a cooperation - maybe for second half of 2007; this would give us enough time to finalize the details together with United Nation University.
Best wishes Otto
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Email received by Antonio Cerone:
Dear Ana,
UNU-IIST would be very happy to collaborate with the IFIP TC6 working group 6.9 - Communication Systems for Developing Countries.
UNU-IIST training programs are addressed to developing countries by organising courses and schools in developing countries and inviting researchers, lecturers and postgraduate students to Macao to undertake a research project for 9 months. We also have a joint PhD programme with the University of Pisa for students from developing countries and also postdoc positions open to people from any countries. You can find more information on our activities at our website http://www.iist.unu.edu/ in particular under "School and Courses".
From what I have seen at
http://www.ifip.tu-graz.ac.at/TC6/handbook.htm#AS69 it looks like your working group and my institution have similar goals toward developing countries. (Please let me know if there are better links that describe the mission and activities of your working group.)
UNU-IIST focus more on formal methods rather than communication systems, but we have experienced in the recent school on Advanced Topics in Networking, Security and Verification, held in Indonesia (Prof Otto Spaniol was among the lectures), that the two areas can be successfully combined within the same event. So there is definitely scope for cooperation. Moreover, we are also happy to give our support in organising events in areas other than formal methods. So, if you have in mind specific places or specific events, please let me know and we can help with support and in finding local contacts. Do you have any specific event in mind to be organised in Magreb, China and other Asian countries? One possibility for a permanent collaboration would be to create a regular school to be held in a different developing country (possibly a different continent) every year. Maybe something like the school we organised in Indonesia.
Regarding Magreb, at the moment we are organising a School in Tunisia ( http://www.iist.unu.edu/ICTAC2006/School/ http://www.iist.unu.edu/ICTAC2006/School/), associated with the ICTAC 2006 conference. Please let me know if you are interested in supporting the event or in being actively involved in the organisation and in which form. I can talk to the local orgnisers and the other sponsors about it.
Looking forward to collaborating with you.
Best regards.
Antonio
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