I am a member of the newly formed ONTC (optical Networks Technical Committee of the IEEE) and attend their meetings at ICC and Globecom. As Harry pointed out they have a critical mass. In fact their meetings are packed. It is a very active technical committee. They have recently launched an IEEE optical network magazine, an optical series in the IEEE communications magazine, and an IEEE JSAC series on optical communications expected in the coming year or two to spin-off into an IEEE transactions on Optical Networks. At this point, they do not have their own conference and piggy-back on ICC and Globecom by organizing workshops there. It is hence a wise strategy and a great achievement of Harry to bring this critical mass to our IFIP conference which will clearly benefit IFIP. If we don't, they will start their own conference with which it will be difficult to compete.
Raouf
-----Original Message----- From: ifip-tc6-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE [mailto:ifip-tc6-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE] On Behalf Of Harry Perros Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:05 AM To: Otto Spaniol Cc: ifip-tc6@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: [ifip-tc6] Meeting 2004/2 agenda
Dear Otto
I don't know what you mean by "cheap trick" and laziness by WG 6.10.
I have worked EXTREMELY hard since last May to rebuild the 6.10, which WAS IN SHAMBLES !!! (PLEASE READ MY REPORT)
I have invested a huge amount of time in negotiating this with ONTC, because I believe that's the way to go.
So, I don't expect to hear a thanks for all this.. but I don't think your perception and characterization is appropriate.
You are certainly entitled to your own opinion for joint conferences. However, I hope that TC6 takes decisoin democratically and not be decree from its Chairman.
So, let's see what the popular vote is on this case.
Harry the lazy
On Nov 11, 2004, at 6:46 AM, Otto Spaniol wrote:
Dear Harry (R) and all others,
Otto, thanks for the agenda ---- even if it makes me sad that I will not be there.
Thanks a lot for your message. It was indeed intended to tell the missing delegates what they will be missing - in order that they attend the next meetings.
You know about the meeting 205/1 in Waterloo (Canada) early May 2005.
And meeting 2005/2 will be held (if the delegates follow the proposal) just after I3E (which is going to be held in Poznan 26-28 Oct. 2004) but the meeting will be held in Wroclaw juster after I3E. Thus participants can either directly go to Wroclaw or come by train from Poznan: two hours time.
One additional topic for discussion is from the note that Harry Perros sent on 10 October about joint IFIP/IEEE events. Harry wrote:
"In my 6.10 report, as you will find out, I am requesting that the 6.10 conference ONDM become a joint IFIP/IEEE conference. You will find my reasoning and justifications in my report. If ONDM becomes a IFIP/IEEE joint conference, FIP stands to loose income from the publication of the ONDM proceedings, but on the other hand they stand to gain money from a larger group of participants. (I am not sure if this will result to a positive or negative flow at the end!!)
"My motivation for seeking this joint sponsorship comes from my
desire
to launch a truly international conference on Optical Networks. TC 6 has no criticial mass in optical networks (unlike for instance, areas such as performance evaluation, or ATM networks back a few
years
ago). IEEE's ONTC has a critical mass, but they do not have a conference of their own... So, this marriage is likely to generate the correct environment within which a successful international conference can be born."
Since I won't be at the meeting either, I would like to go on record as supporting joint sponshorship for this event. I find Harry's reasoning a good justification. I find joint sponsorship a good way to make up for the ground we have lost in the optical networking world in the past.
There are two sides of the coin:
Firstly, I agree that a joint sponsorship would be good in order to make up for the ground we lost in Optical Networking. Now the idea of having IEEE in the boat is nice but it also a certain "cheap trick" and it shows some laziness by WG 6.10.
Secondly, the cooperation with IEEE risks to be a killer of IFIP and in particular of TC6. IEEE insists of having the copyright for publication and this is not acceptable for us. If we would accept then we would be very soon in the same situation as ICCC which are fully bankrupt and which want to dissolve themselves. Thus my position here is clear: No joint event if
we loose the copyright for publication! I know that it is already too late for that in the case of the IM (Integrated Management) conference series but we definitively will have to stop these IEEE crocodiles in the future.
We will of course discuss that topic in Bangkok; Agenda topic 11, I'll
rename it accordingly.
Best regards Otto
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