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RE: Adding Subject Designation-Listname
by Khimaira ~ Linda Campbell 23 Dec '07

23 Dec '07

Found it! It wasn't a problem with the file, it was something with the list itself. Not sure what, but I finally just decided to delete the list and set it up again. Then everything worked just fine! Many happy users reporting back :) Thanks for your feedback. Happy Holidays! Linda -----Original Message----- From: smartlist-bounces(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE [mailto:smartlist-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE] On Behalf Of Charlie Summers Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:48 PM To: Khimaira ~ Linda Campbell Cc: smartlist(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE Subject: RE: Adding Subject Designation-Listname At 6:42 PM -0500 12/22/07, Khimaira ~ Linda Campbell is rumored to have typed: > We do feel the subject line addition would be an advantage for others. I respectfully disagree (subject munging only aids those who do not understand their email client encouraging their ignorance, and annoys those users who spend the time learning how to effectively handle and filter their email), but never mind that now. Uncomment the rc.custom line in your test list: #VERBOSE=yes # uncomment in case of real emergency ...and then send that list a test message. Review your logfile (defaults to listdir/log, I think) carefully to see exactly what is happening. You clearly have an error somewhere (it could be as simple as a bad transfer between Windoze and un*x creating inadvertant line breaks at an inappropriate place), and tracing the progress of the email through the verbose log will help you find it. I'd probably add a LOG= line at the top and bottom of rc.local.s10 just to loudly mark entry and exit (I tend to laziness), but it shouldn't be necessary as the INCLUDERC will be noted. If you run into an error you aren't familiar with, feel free to post (inline, please, attachments are a pain in mailing lists) the relevant lines. Charlie

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RE: Adding Subject Designation-Listname
by Khimaira ~ Linda Campbell 23 Dec '07

23 Dec '07

Thank you, Charlie. This involves about 40 committee lists for one of our hosting clients/organizations. Since a number of the members are on multiple committees, it is an advantage to them in terms of email client filtering easily and quick visual designation as well. None have digests implemented. The Reply To field remains as default. We had already uncommented the line in rc.custom, and it still isn't working. We have about 5000 smartlists running at this time, and we appreciate the versatility and efficiency in general. We do feel the subject line addition would be an advantage for others. Thanks, Linda -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Summers [mailto:charlie@lofcom.com] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 10:40 AM To: Khimaira ~ Linda Campbell; smartlist(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE Subject: Re:Adding Subject Designation-Listname At 10:12 AM -0500 12/22/07, Khimaira ~ Linda Campbell is rumored to have typed: > We are attempting to add the listname to mailing lists on our servers. Yuck. Better to educate your users on how to filter their mail than to munge mail subjects. Especially if you have a digested list attached, it just looks...amaturish, and with modern email clients there's _never_ a good reason to do such. Lemme guess...you're also munging the Reply-To: header field? > Should there be other language in there?¬Ý What are we missing?¬Ý How can >we be sure that rc.local.s10 is even being called? The call is commented-out in rc.custom. Uncomment it. (The same goes for any other rc.local.???.) Strongly urge you to read through your rc.custom file so you understand a bit more about how SmartList works. Charlie

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smartlist debugging
by Dan - East Coast Technology 22 Dec '07

22 Dec '07

I am running RedHat enterprise server 4 and I am having difficulties getting smartlist to work. Procmail and Smartlist appear to have installed properly and I am able to create lists, however, when mailing to the list it does not send the email out. I've checked that email can be sent out the smartlist account and it works. I believe there is a mis-configuration somewhere, but I am unable to locate it. Has anyone actually been able to get this to work with enterprise 4? Daniel Butler East Coast Technology 209 Lower County Drive Gaithersburg, Maryland 20877 Phone: 301-751-8247 Email: dbutler(a)eastcoast-technology.com http://www.eastcoast-technology.com

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X-Command sending the info/help file instead of output of showdist.
by kiran telangi 23 May '07

23 May '07

Can Any one tell me about possibilities about why on my server, X-Command sending the info/help file instead of output of showdist? While investigating rc.request file, i found that score generated at line 354 & 355 is 0 & 3 respectively and thus it is satisfying the criteria of help/info request and thus help/info response is sent through email to list maintainer instead of output of x_command showdist. The chunk of code being executed is as below, 343 # Is it an info or help request? Send back the help.txt and the 344 # optional info.txt file. 345 # We do the same on a complete empty mail (except for perhaps a signature). 346 # 347 348 :0 EHB 349 * 3^0 ^^(.+$)*Subject:[ ]*\ 350 (([(<]no(ne| subject( (\(file transmission|given))?)[>)])?$\ 351 (.+$)*(^[ ]*)+)?[a-z,. ]*(help|info(rmation)?)\> 352 * 1^0 ^^(.+$)*Subject:[ ]*\ 353 ([(<]no(ne| subject( (\(file transmission|given))?)[>)])?$ 354 * -2^0 ^^(.+$)*(^[ ]*)+[a-z] 355 * 3^0 ^^(.+$)*^([ ]*$)*-- 356 { 357 :0 hw ${cc_requests:+c} 358 | (formail -i"From: $listreq" -rtA"X-Loop: $listaddr"; \ 359 cat help.txt info.txt 2>/dev/null ) | $SENDMAIL $sendmailOPT -t 360 361 :0 wfh 362 | formail -A "X-Diagnostic: help sent" 363 } I am not familiar with the syntax used is rc.request files; It would be great help if you can look into this and help me with the suggestion on this. The message was as below, From samsonkt12(a)yahoo.com Mon May 21 02:36:28 2007 Received: from web57513.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web57513.mail.re1.yahoo.com [66.196.100.80]) by HOSTNAME (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.10) with SMTP id l4L6aSuL007889 for <testlist-request@HOSTNAME>; Mon, 21 May 2007 02:36:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 56378 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2007 06:16:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UzKUE5dcq70ifamV5cNSUAl3hrq0jJ7IXH52yIKiOkWGGVE8bAUEUI3tZvBw4zOIln/MzNlWQEjwm4BbkAV33Pb5jnI1P59CTDu5ab9rOV/CMrM2KkXlS7KbeDE9l+EAGiJJxyZFJ6LNgBctfGEEo/RX73 1N3esjyHE/J0ah6Vg=; Received: from [203.199.150.60] by web57513.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:16:14 PDT Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kiran Telangi <samsonkt12(a)yahoo.com> Subject: X-Command: samsonkt12(a)yahoo.com test123 showdist To: testlist-request@HOSTNAME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1681830078-1179728174=:50055" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <549458.50055.qm(a)web57513.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (HOSTNAME [HOSTIP]); Mon, 21 May 2007 02:36:30 -04 00 (EDT) --0-1681830078-1179728174=:50055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Command: samsonkt12(a)yahoo.com test123 showdist --------------------------------- Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --0-1681830078-1179728174=:50055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <a id="folderviewmsg3subjlink" href="ShowLetter?MsgId=4283_37895_648_1470_1032_0_4_2316_1145639870&Idx=3&YY=43936&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&in c=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=&head=&box=Inbox">X-Command: samsonkt12(a)yahoo.com test123 showdist</a><p> <hr size=1>Give spam the boot. Take control with <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47960/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailb… ml">tough spam protection</a><br>in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.<p>  <hr size=1>Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.<br><a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48246/*http://autos.yahoo.com/gr een_center/;_ylc=X3oDMTE5cDF2bXZzBF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDZ3JlZW4tY2VudGVy">Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.</a> --0-1681830078-1179728174=:50055-- Thanks, Kiran. Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48517/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/ya… hot CTA = Join our Network Research Panel

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Program failure (67) of " formail -rtzc -xTo: >tmp.from"
by Zhiliang Hu 02 Dec '06

02 Dec '06

I notice in my Smartlist log following error: ------------------ Tue Nov 28 10:03:55 CST 2006 procmail: Program failure (67) of " formail -rtzc -xTo: >tmp.from" To: <angenmap-request(a)animalgenome.org> Subject: Delivery Status -------------- (it should record but "From: " line is missing) I checked and this recipe is only in "rc.request" and "rc.submit". File permissions on related files are: -rw-rw---- 1 smlst smlst 577 Dec 2 09:31 tmp.from -rw-rw---- 1 smlst smlst 7571 Dec 2 08:36 tmp.mail -rw-rw---- 1 smlst smlst 9816 Dec 2 09:31 tmp.request The occurances of this error are almost all from mail daemon bounces (only a small portion of all mail daemon mails). Other than this the smartlist is working fine. I googled but don't find much on this (what's the code "67" for?) Zhiliang

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"uns*bscribe" not working on my lists
by Jamie Zawinski 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

So I've got a few lists that are, as far as I can tell, identical as far as config and file permissions go. But on one of them, unsubscribe requests work, and on the others, it always says "I could not find your name on the list", even though I see it right there on the last line of the dist file. I can't tell what's different about the two lists that makes one work and one fail. So, my question *really* is, how do I debug this? I imagine something is going wrong inside "multigram", but I can't even figure out how multigram should be invoked in order to reproduce what happens when mail comes in. I only barely understand what multigram is supposed to do, and its source code in insanely opaque... Is there even a man page for this thing? -- Jamie Zawinski jwz(a)jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ jwz(a)dnalounge.com http://www.dnalounge.com/ http://jwz.livejournal.com/

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avoiding duplicate messages with multiple lists
by Jamie Zawinski 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

Hi, Say I have three smartlist lists on the same host. I send a single message to all three lists: To: listA, listB, listC If all three lists contain the same subscriber, that person gets three copies of the message. All three copies have the same (original) Message-ID, but different Resent-Message-IDs. Is there any way to cause that person to only get one copy of the message instead of three? The mail server is Mailman on MacOS 10.4, in case that's relevant. Thanks, -- Jamie Zawinski jwz(a)jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ jwz(a)dnalounge.com http://www.dnalounge.com/ http://jwz.livejournal.com/

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Couple of Questions
by Stanley Laufer 11 Jun '06

11 Jun '06

First, thanks to those who developed Smart List. It was exactly what we needed. Couple of questions: 1. Currently, list subscribers do not receive a copy of their own posting when they post something to the list. I've checked the FAQ and the manual, and I don't see a way to allow list subscribers to receive a copy of their own postings. For the time being, I've used the recipe from the FAQ to set up an auto-reply, so the Sender at least knows that their message was received and posted successfully. But, for the long-term, I'd like to set it up so that subscribers will receive a copy of their own list postings. Is there a recipe that I can add to rc.local.s20 in order to accomplish that? 2. If I am manually maintaining the dist/accept file for a particular list, and I want to temporarily comment out a subscriber so that they will not receive list postings, would this be the correct syntax: (username(a)my.domain.net (User's Name)) I'm concerned about the nested comments for (User's Name). Will that throw off Smart List, or can Smart List handle nested parens? Thanks in advance Stanley E. Laufer Network Administrator School of Library and Information Science San Jose State University

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RE: Spam with subscriber's 'from' address
by Dr Jon Jenkins MLC 03 Jun '06

03 Jun '06

Hi I have had the same problem. However in my case I want to be able to "spoof" the list. I send HTML newsletters to the list from FrontPage -> Outlook -> Hotmail -> mailist@my_domain. In other words I send from a hotmail address with a return/reply to set to the only allowed address! This information mismatch may also be in the X-Sender information by the way! Have a look at the spammers header and they may have the X-Sender set to the real domain. It is probably a quick and dirty to redirect at that point although I think many people use this method to send mail to a list!! In my case it is a newsletter so after it happened the first time it was easier to shut the list down after posting the newsletter than to hack the rcfiles for check/filter for a match between hotmail/reply to address. By the way I have modified my procfiles to remove all the X-Sender information which got me into a lot of strife with Hotmail recently. Because the X-Sender was still in the header and out of 35,000 emails I had a few "not happy Jon's" hotmail killed off my Premium account for a while! Email me if you want the modified file which allows you to post to the list from a non subscribed address but remove where the post came from. Sort of allows people to do exactly what you are complaining about but it is useful sometimes :-) jon Prof Jon Jenkins MLC Parliament House Macquarie Street Sydney NSW 2000 Sydney Office Ph/Fax 02-9230-2752/2205 Nth Coast Office Ph/Fax 02-6676-2947/1543 Mob 0429178817 jon(a)trac.org.au www.trac.org.au > -----Original Message----- > From: smartlist-bounces(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE > [mailto:smartlist-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE] On Behalf Of > Charlie Summers > Sent: Saturday, 3 June 2006 1:10 AM > To: Harshal; SmartList > Subject: Re:Spam with subscriber's 'from' address > > At 10:25 AM -0400 6/2/06, Harshal is rumored to have typed: > > > Any suggestions on how to handle this problem? > > Filter out that user's address (explaining to him the > problem, of course) > into your private mailbox*; if it continues with different subscribed > addresses, it's likely a manual spam by an existing > subscriber. Your only > option there is to 1) moderate the list, and 2) report every > spam to the > upstreams until it becomes too much of a hassle for the > spammer to continue. > > Charlie > > > > * There are a bazillion ways of writing procmail recipies to > allow the "real" > user to post while the clone cannot, but it assumes a > familiarity with email > header fields and procmail. In my case, for example, you > could check for my > address _and_ my mail server in the header fields; if mail > with my address > isn't delivered by 69.93.98.146, redirect away from the list > to your private > mailbox. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Smartlist mailing list > Smartlist(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE > http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/smartlist > >

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Spam with subscriber's 'from' address
by Harshal 02 Jun '06

02 Jun '06

My mailing list is set up to allow posting by members only but in the past few days spam with forged a 'from' address that matches a subscriber's address has been getting through. Any suggestions on how to handle this problem? Thanks, - Harshal http://www.mumbai-central.com : Where Mumbaikars meet __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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