August 2000 - Smartlist - lists.rwth-aachen.de

SmartList 3.15 _almost_ released
by Philip Guenther 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

SmartList version 3.15 will be released on or about the 30th of August. The delay is in the hopes that someone running SmartList under either postfix or qmail can test something for me and confirm whether the fix in the prerelease is sufficient. What's the problem that needs testing, you ask? The documented procedure for providing both a digested and an undigested version of a list is to create them as separate lists, subscribe the digested list to the undigested list, set the "undigested_list" variable of the digest to point to the undigested list, and finally make the undigested list be the only address in the (delinked) digest list. As a result, as post from a subscriber to the digested list typically goes first to the digested list, which then forwards it to the undigest list. When it sends it out, it sends it back to the digested list where it will then end up in the next digest. The problem is that on systems that use the Delivered-To: header to prevent mail loops (qmail & postfix), this double-reception of the message by the digested list is detected as a mailloop and is suppressed, resulting in the message never being posted to the digest list. My fix is for the digested list to remove any Delivered-To: headers that contain its own address before forwarding the message to the undigested list. My proposed fix can be found in the rc.submit file from the prerelease. Can someone on a system running postfix or qmail please try this out and tell me whether my fix works? I've thrown several messages through the recipes and they appear to work, but I would feel better about such a late-breaking change (I only learned about the bug on the 23rd) if someone in the situation could test it. Philip Guenther Procmail & SmartList maintainer bug(a)procmail.org

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Possible to include addressee in headers?
by Rene Pijlman 27 Aug '00

27 Aug '00

Hello, I'm using smartlist for a newsletter with about 4.500 subscribers. Every time I send my newsletter I get some mail delivery failures returned, mostly because of terminated accounts. Most failure messages provide a clear error message that includes the incorrect e-mail address. Unfortunately, some mail servers return an error message with the original e-mail (send by smartlist) attached, but with no mention of the e-mail address that failed. Is there a way to have smartlist/sendmail include the addressee in the headers when it sends the mail? In that way I would be able to find the incorrect address in the header of the message that is returned to me. -- Thanks in advance, René Pijlman <R.Pijlman(a)applinet.nl>

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New user/List is not distributing
by supportforums＠juno.com 27 Aug '00

27 Aug '00

Greetings, I am using Smartlist as part of a hosting package. I have been able to configure the rc.custom file to restrict who can subscribe to our list. (Closed list) I have about 40 people already subscribed who I manually subscribed via Xcommand. But in testing this group, when I send a message to the group, no one else is getting them. Yet I get a copy of my post. I tested this out by adding a second e-mail address of mine to see if the second address would receive the post I sent from the first. Nothing is coming through. I am very new to this and can not figure out what is wrong and why mail is not getting through for the list. Can someone direct with clear cut directions on what might be wrong. I turned off auto-subscribe. I have been able to follow the FAQ fairly easily. My hosting service doesn't have a manual and the only one I saw online was very confusing. Please assist. thanks!!

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Re: Possible to include addressee in headers?
by mark david mcCreary 27 Aug '00

27 Aug '00

>Hello, > >I'm using smartlist for a newsletter with about 4.500 >subscribers. Every time I send my newsletter I get some mail >delivery failures returned, mostly because of terminated >accounts. Most failure messages provide a clear error message >that includes the incorrect e-mail address. > >Unfortunately, some mail servers return an error message with >the original e-mail (send by smartlist) attached, but with no >mention of the e-mail address that failed. Is there a way to >have smartlist/sendmail include the addressee in the headers >when it sends the mail? > >In that way I would be able to find the incorrect address in the >header of the message that is returned to me. Rene If you use VERP, and have a unique envelope sender, then decode the address the bounce is returned to, re-format the message and send it to SL, that should solve the problem. Qmail, an MTA, does VERP as an option, and I have some configuration files for Exim that send VERP style, and decode and re-route bounces to SL. You would need to spend several days at least to incorporate my code. I think somebody has adapted Qmail with SL although not sure if it's available to borrow or not. That's my two cents. mark mark david mcCreary Internet Tools, Inc. 1436 West Gray #438 mdm(a)internet-tools.com Houston, Texas 77019 http://www.internet-tools.com 713.627.9600

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Re: Sub and Unsub problems
by Peggy Wilkins 27 Aug '00

27 Aug '00

>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Platt <admin(a)windstormcomputing.com> writes: Bill> When you submit a new subscription via the website, all is Bill> well. When you submit a new subscription via email, the Bill> copy comes on through to the maintainer, and the email is Bill> logged in the Log file, however, the email address never Bill> gets added to the Dist list. Bill> I have gone through the rc. files, all of them and compared Bill> them also to the original rc. files from another server all Bill> together. Every single dotted I and crossed T seems to be Bill> in place. i am seeing this same behavior. i have also noticed that if the email has the "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" direction in the message body instead of in the subject header, the address *is* automatically subscribed or unsubscribed, as expected. i too would be interested in knowing how to fix this. i "fixed" it via hack -- i changed the subscribe/unsubscribe directions i give out to say to put the word subscribe/unsubscribe in the message body. but, lots of people still send requests in the subject, so i'm always having to manually subscribe and unsubscribe people. this pretty much defeats the purpose of automating a mailing list manager, doesn't it? ideally, i'd like to really fix it! plw

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archives
by Mitchell Darer 25 Aug '00

25 Aug '00

Hello: Is there an archiving and (hopefully user friendly) searching w/ SmartList? [I'm not interested in the archives of this Disc List, but of the list I run for my 'users']. Thanks, Mitch Darer -- Mitchell Darer, WebMaster, mitch(a)focusing.org The Focusing Institute, 34 East Lane, Spring Valley, NY 10977 http://www.focusing.org (845) 362-5222 (phone/fax)

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Re: procmail.org future plans (was Re: does anyone find it ironic that smartlist mailing list is using Mailman? )
by Jari Aalto+mail.linux 25 Aug '00

25 Aug '00

* Thu 2000-08-17 era eriksson <era(a)iki.fi> list.procmail * Message-Id: <14747.40591.972762.3169(a)sirppi.helsinki.fi> [regarding procmail, smartlist development] First, Short welcome to all: I've been away for a along time due to new work and too much new responsibilities and lack of good Unix access, but every mail from everyone who has submitted comments to pm-ja*.rc modules is still saved and waits for date to be addressed. Thank you everyone, Especially Ralph Sobek, Camden Spiller, Thomas Paquet, Roy Stewart, Mike Harris, Don Jacobson, Haroon Rafique, Manfred Kohl. I'm finally running good Linux 2.4 kernel and a CVS pserver, and I'm in progress moving development to sourceforge. Please wait some time to get all started. | I think we should have another IRC chat with Stephen and the other | folks who originally were interested in the procmail.org idea, perhaps | in early September. I can volunteer to write up an agenda, based on | earlier messages in this thread. I can also call Stephen and ask him | what day and time would be suitable (or Philip, if you're going to | call him anyway at some point, can you bring this up?) I this is good idea, I'd like to participate. The distribution of provmail should include all possible goodies in one packet and additional contributions could be put under contrib/ | I'd be in favor of giving Whom It May Concern some sort of write | access, and see what comes of it. If (whoever will be running) | procmail.org is not willing to put up an Anon CVS server, it can be | moved to sourceforge.net or something. We really should move everything to sourceforge and have group of maintainers with CVS commit rights. Jari

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Re: Assistance
by Francois Sauterey 22 Aug '00

22 Aug '00

Le 08:23 22/08/00 -0400, Rich Peachey nous écrivait: >On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Ron Miller wrote: >> I really would just like to clean it up a bit and get rid of some things. >> Though when searching the files that are in the smartlist directory I see >> nothing that looks like what is in the mail such as: You have added to the >> subscriber list of:. Where is it pulling this information from? >With my list, I have a file called 'subscribe.txt' in my list's >directory. I think that is the file you are looking for. No! It's generated by the .bin/subscribe program, call by rc.request But if you plan to customize the subscribtion, you need to edit the two files: .bin/subscribe and your_list/subscribe.txt Francois -- IL FAUT SAUVER MUMIA ABU JAMAL ! Francois Sauterey Home: +33 (0) 1 40 33 68 46 email mailto:Francois.Sauterey@ras.eu.org http://www.ras.eu.org http://www.iris.sgdg.org to get my PGP KEY: send me a mail with Subject: send pgp key

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Assistance
by Ron Miller 22 Aug '00

22 Aug '00

I just need to know if I'm wasting my time trying to change the subscribe mail received by new subscribers. I did not install smartlist personally, it was included in my hosting package. Anyways, What has had me stumped for some time now is I'm trying to change the e-mail subscribers received when the join the list. I really would just like to clean it up a bit and get rid of some things. Though when searching the files that are in the smartlist directory I see nothing that looks like what is in the mail such as: You have added to the subscriber list of:. Where is it pulling this information from? Please point me in the right direction. Thank-you. Ron Miller millerinc.com lolgreetings.com

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List alive?
by John Conover 18 Aug '00

18 Aug '00

Is the smartlist mailing list still alive? Thanks, John -- John Conover Tel. 408.370.2688 conover(a)inow.com 631 Lamont Ct. Cel. 408.772.7733 Campbell, CA 95008 Fax. 408.379.9602 http://www.johncon.com

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