Dear Otto,
Currently I am in Peru for attending CLEI 2004. Here I will meet the
responsible of WCC 2006 and also the CLEI responsible people.
I will talk with all of them in order to see the possibilities for 2005 and
2006. However I will not take any commitment before discussing the
alternatives in Bangkok. As soon as I will be back from Peru I will send a
message explaining these alternatives and proposal from South American people.
Best regards
Ramon
> Dear all,
>
> I was away from my email for a few days and when coming back I found
> a lot of messages concerning WCC 2004 in Toulouse (and WCC 2006 in Santiago
> de Chile); in particular I have to thank Volker Tschammer
> for his clear report concerning the I3E disaster in Toulouse and
> its consequences.
>
> I had the opportunity to meet Klaus Brunnstein last week (he delivered
> an excellent keynote talk at the "IT and sports" in Cologne).
>
> He told me:
> - that indeed the financial loss of WCC 2004 is 220.000 EURO
> and this happened despite a really excellent preparation and
> organisation (!)
> - that WCC 2006 first started with an absolutely unrealistic
> assumption of getting 2.000 paying participants (remember that the
> loss of Toulouse is due to the fact that they expected
> 1.400 participants but got only 1.100)
> - that the Chilean organisors now base there assumptions on 600 participants
> (real paying participants since if you call together all the students
> from Chile and if you give them free entrance you might
> artificially reach 2.000 people but your budget will
> collapse). The hope is that by having more realistic figures
> and by organising the congress in university rooms instead of
> expensive conference centers the risk of another financial disaster
> will be limited
>
> - and (last but not least) that the organisors are desperately
> seeking the support of TC6 for organising workshops, tutorials,
> wirking conferences etc. (!!!). We will have to say yes or no
> rather soon.
>
> Now what to do?
> All comments received until now were mildly or rather strong against
> any participation of TC6 at IFIP WCC's irrespective of the location.
> On the other hand we are in a way obliged to do something
> more in South America. We know that Ramon does a lot of things there
> but this is only supported by a few TC6 members.
> We will have to discuss in Bangkok whether we may extend
> those activities in 2006 and how to concentrate them in Chile.
> I don't see too much enthousiasm for organising one of
> our regular conferences at that occasion but of course
> proposals would be welcome.
> We could do a series of tutorials, we might try to
> organise a TC6 meeting there (but if so then only in
> conjunction with a TC6 event), ....
>
> I invite all of you for comments.
> And of copurse this request for comments is explicitly
> directed to our new delegate from Chile.
>
> Best regards
> Otto
>
>
> p.s.:
> Another problem for WCC 2006 is that Basie van Solms (IFIP vice president)
> who was designated as congress chair will not be able to do the job
> due to serious health problems. No successor has been nominated thus far.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> ifip-tc6(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE
> http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/ifip-tc6
>
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Universitat de les Illes Balears
Departament de Ciencies Matematiques i Informatica
07122 PALMA (Spain)
Phone: +34-971173288 Fax: +34-971173003
e-mail: putxi(a)uib.es
=========================================================================
Dear colleague,
enclosed please find the Call for Participation for IEEE ICNP 2004 held
in Berlin, the capitol of Germany, October 5th - 8th, 2004. ICNP 2004 is
organized by BTU Cottbus, the Brandenburg University of Technology
Cottbus and University of Mannheim. You can find more
information on conference program and registration at the ICNP web site
http://www.icnp2004.de.vu
(Conference Program and Registration/Hotels)
ICNP 2004 features are:
* Invited talk by Henning Schulzrinne (Columbia University New York),
* keynote speech by Prof. Hoogendoorn, SIEMENS,
* 2 tutorials on overlay networks and content delivery networks,
* 2 and a half-day single track of peer-reviewed papers on routing,
wireless networks, peer-to-peer and overlay networks, performance
evaluation, network management, and security
* student poster session
* social event with an excursion to the park of Sanscouci at Potsdam.
We are looking forward to meeting you at ICNP 2004,
Hartmut Koenig and Wolfgang Effelsberg.
--
________________________________________________________________________
Hartmut König Tel: +49 355 69 22 36
koenig(a)informatik.tu-cottbus.de Fax: +49 355 69 21 27
BTU Cottbus
LS Rechnernetze und Kommunikationssysteme
PF 10 13 44, D-03013 Cottbus, Germany
http://www-rnks.informatik.tu-cottbus.de
________________________________________________________________________
Dear all,
I was away from my email for a few days and when coming back I found
a lot of messages concerning WCC 2004 in Toulouse (and WCC 2006 in Santiago
de Chile); in particular I have to thank Volker Tschammer
for his clear report concerning the I3E disaster in Toulouse and
its consequences.
I had the opportunity to meet Klaus Brunnstein last week (he delivered
an excellent keynote talk at the "IT and sports" in Cologne).
He told me:
- that indeed the financial loss of WCC 2004 is 220.000 EURO
and this happened despite a really excellent preparation and
organisation (!)
- that WCC 2006 first started with an absolutely unrealistic
assumption of getting 2.000 paying participants (remember that the
loss of Toulouse is due to the fact that they expected
1.400 participants but got only 1.100)
- that the Chilean organisors now base there assumptions on 600 participants
(real paying participants since if you call together all the students
from Chile and if you give them free entrance you might
artificially reach 2.000 people but your budget will
collapse). The hope is that by having more realistic figures
and by organising the congress in university rooms instead of
expensive conference centers the risk of another financial disaster
will be limited
- and (last but not least) that the organisors are desperately
seeking the support of TC6 for organising workshops, tutorials,
wirking conferences etc. (!!!). We will have to say yes or no
rather soon.
Now what to do?
All comments received until now were mildly or rather strong against
any participation of TC6 at IFIP WCC's irrespective of the location.
On the other hand we are in a way obliged to do something
more in South America. We know that Ramon does a lot of things there
but this is only supported by a few TC6 members.
We will have to discuss in Bangkok whether we may extend
those activities in 2006 and how to concentrate them in Chile.
I don't see too much enthousiasm for organising one of
our regular conferences at that occasion but of course
proposals would be welcome.
We could do a series of tutorials, we might try to
organise a TC6 meeting there (but if so then only in
conjunction with a TC6 event), ....
I invite all of you for comments.
And of copurse this request for comments is explicitly
directed to our new delegate from Chile.
Best regards
Otto
p.s.:
Another problem for WCC 2006 is that Basie van Solms (IFIP vice president)
who was designated as congress chair will not be able to do the job
due to serious health problems. No successor has been nominated thus far.
FYI,
Guy
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:04:16 +0200
>From: gevers(a)csam.ucl.ac.be
>Subject: the candidates for IEEE President and the embargo
>
>TO THE SIGNATORIES OF THE PETITION AGAINST THE IEEE EMBARGO
>
>The IEEE embargo is still going on
>
>First, let me remind you that the embargo applied by the IEEE
>against its members from Cuba, Iran, Libya and Sudan is still in
>effect, even though it no longer covers the editorial restrictions.
>See the "Information and News Update webpage" that I maintain:
>http://www.csam.ucl.ac.be/~gevers/Petition_News.html#Update.
>After the OFAC ruling stating that there was no legal ground for
>prohibiting the IEEE from editing papers from members residing in
>these countries, we all expected that IEEE would lift all its
>sanctions and cease this discrimination. Despite our pressure on the
>IEEE Boad of Directors, this has not happened.
>
>The IEEE elections
>
>All IEEE members are presently invited to vote for various elective
>positions, including the selection of the President-Elect for 2005.
>There are three candidates, James M. Tien, Michael R. Lightner, and
>Levent Onural. All three are presently on the IEEE Board of
>Directors. However, their positions on the embargo issue are clearly
>different. To find out about their positions, please consult the
>"Information and News Update webpage":
>http://www.csam.ucl.ac.be/~gevers/Petition_News.html#Update.
>
>The IEEE elections are an opportunity for us, IEEE members, to
>impact the future of our Institute on this very important issue.
>Given the public statements made by the three candidates, and their
>responses to the specific questions about the IEEE embargo, I
>recommend that those of you who decide to vote for the IEEE
>elections cast their vote for James M. Tien as candidate President
>Elect 2005.
>
>Michel Gevers
>Coordinator of the petition against the IEEE embargo
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Harry,
I fully agree with you.
WCCs helped in the past to bridge the gap between East and West. I think
that now is the time to find, in addition to "carefully targeted technical
meetings" activities like WITFOR that can help to bridge the gap between
North and South.
Best regards
ramon
> It has long seemed to me that the WCC is fast becoming a dinosaur congress.
> When one past IFIP president wrote that it was the " most important
> thing that
> IFIP does", I had to protest.
>
> I humbly suggest that TC6 suggest to the Powers That Be that the days of
> WCC are past and that IFIP's exposure is much greater than any
> conceivable gain.
>
> Sorry to be so negative but our smaller, carefully targeted technical
> meetings
> are much more attractive in this day and age. Well, just one person's
> opinion.
> A good topic for the next TC6 meeting.
>
> with best regards all around,
> Harry
>
>
> Guy Leduc wrote:
>
> > Dear Ramon,
> >
> > Thanks for the interesting data, but who is going to pay the 220 kEUR
> > this time?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Guy
> >
> > [Private joke] Please, advise the next WCC organizer to set the break
> > even point more realistically (I would not bet above 500 participants
> > next time).
> >
> >
>
=========================================================================
Ramon Puigjaner
Universitat de les Illes Balears
Departament de Ciencies Matematiques i Informatica
07122 PALMA (Spain)
Phone: +34-971173288 Fax: +34-971173003
e-mail: putxi(a)uib.es
=========================================================================
Dear Guy,
The answer of Jean Claude Laprie concerning who will cover the losses was
quite fuzzy.
Best regards
ramon
> Dear Ramon,
>
> Thanks for the interesting data, but who is going
> to pay the 220 kEUR this time?
>
> Best regards,
> Guy
>
> [Private joke] Please, advise the next WCC
> organizer to set the break even point more
> realistically (I would not bet above 500
> participants next time).
>
>
> At 15:00 +0200 16/09/04, Ramon Puigjaner wrote:
> >Dear all,
> >
> >> Dear Otto,
> >>
> >> Do we have data about WCC 2004 in Toulouse?
> >
> >I attended both WCC and the general assemby in Toulouse and I have the data
> >ou request.
> >
> >> Was it a success?
> >
> >>From technical as well from organisational viewpoints it was a great
> >success. In total there were more than 1000 attendees; however as the
> >registration was global for all events I have no data per track or other
> >concurrent activities (topical days, workshops, student forum, etc.). The
> >bad point was that the breakeven was at 1300 attendees and, in consequence
> >there were aprox 220000 euros of losses (report from Jean-Claude Laprie to
> >the general assembly).
> >If you need some other information, do not hesitate to ask.
> >Best egards
> >Ramon
> >
> >> Total attendance? Attendance per sub-event?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Guy
> >>
> >>
> >> At 9:28 +0200 15/09/04, Otto Spaniol wrote:
> >> >Dear all,
> >> >
> >> >here is the first invitation for IFIP WCC 2006 in Santiago de Chile.
> >> >Contributions of TC's are particularly wanted.
> >> >You will see that TC6 is explicitly mentioned "due to its experience
> >> >with events in South America". The topic wil have to be discussed
> >> >in Bangkok.
> >> >
> >> >Best regards
> >> >Otto
> >> >
> >> >-----------------------
> >> >
> >> >Dear TC Chairs
> >> >
> >> >Nice seeing most of you in Toulouse, and welcome to the new TC 9 and
TC 13
> >> >Chairs.
> >> >
> >> >As you know, I was appointed by President Brunstein as IPC Chair for WCC
> >> >2006 (because of some matters outside my control, this appointment
will be
> >> >revisited.)However, in the meantime, I would like to invite all TCs, and
> >> >their Working Groups, to seriously consider some smaller or bigger
> >> >involvement in WCC 2006.
> >> >
> >> >I know some of you have already scheduled
> >>conferences for 2006, but urge you
> >> >to consider some (further) involvement at WCC 2006.
> >> >
> >> >It is a unique opportunity in Southern America, and some TCs like TC
6 and
> >> >TC 9 have experiences of being involved there.
> >> >
> >> >Please consult your management ASAP, as time is short, and we want
to get
> >> >the structure of the program sorted out ASAP.
> >> >
> >> >Hope to hear from you.
> >> >
> >> >Regards
> >> >
> >> >Basie von Solms
> >> >Vice-President
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >ifip-tc6 mailing list
> >> >ifip-tc6(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE
> >> >http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/ifip-tc6
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> ________________________________________________________________________
> >> Prof. Guy Leduc Phone : +32 4 366 26 98
> >> Université de Liège Secr : +32 4 366 26 91
> >> Réseaux Informatiques Fax : +32 4 366 29 89
> >> Research Unit in Networking (RUN) Email: Guy.Leduc(a)ulg.ac.be
> >> EECS Department, Institut Montefiore, B 28, B-4000 LIEGE 1, BELGIUM
> >> http://www.run.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/People/GuyLeduc/
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> ifip-tc6 mailing list
> >> ifip-tc6(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE
> >> http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/ifip-tc6
> >>
> >
> >=========================================================================
> >Ramon Puigjaner
> >Universitat de les Illes Balears
> >Departament de Ciencies Matematiques i Informatica
> >07122 PALMA (Spain)
> >Phone: +34-971173288 Fax: +34-971173003
> >e-mail: putxi(a)uib.es
> >=========================================================================
>
>
> --
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Prof. Guy Leduc Phone : +32 4 366 26 98
> Université de Liège Secr : +32 4 366 26 91
> Réseaux Informatiques Fax : +32 4 366 29 89
> Research Unit in Networking (RUN) Email: Guy.Leduc(a)ulg.ac.be
> EECS Department, Institut Montefiore, B 28, B-4000 LIEGE 1, BELGIUM
> http://www.run.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/People/GuyLeduc/
=========================================================================
Ramon Puigjaner
Universitat de les Illes Balears
Departament de Ciencies Matematiques i Informatica
07122 PALMA (Spain)
Phone: +34-971173288 Fax: +34-971173003
e-mail: putxi(a)uib.es
=========================================================================
And another one ...
(but a view from the commercial world!)
I'd find it very hard to justify, to my bosses, my going to any general
conference like WCC. Things have to be targeted.
Maybe there might be some benefit from running a number of well-targeted
conferences in parallel but much thought would have to be given to how to
extract that benefit.
Regards
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Rudin [mailto:hrudin@smile.ch]
Sent: 16 September 2004 16:59
To: Guy Leduc
Cc: putxi(a)uib.es; ifip-tc6(a)informatik.rwth-aachen.de
Subject: Re: [ifip-tc6] WCC 2006
It has long seemed to me that the WCC is fast becoming a dinosaur congress.
When one past IFIP president wrote that it was the " most important
thing that
IFIP does", I had to protest.
I humbly suggest that TC6 suggest to the Powers That Be that the days of
WCC are past and that IFIP's exposure is much greater than any
conceivable gain.
Sorry to be so negative but our smaller, carefully targeted technical
meetings
are much more attractive in this day and age. Well, just one person's
opinion.
A good topic for the next TC6 meeting.
with best regards all around,
Harry
Guy Leduc wrote:
> Dear Ramon,
>
> Thanks for the interesting data, but who is going to pay the 220 kEUR
> this time?
>
> Best regards,
> Guy
>
> [Private joke] Please, advise the next WCC organizer to set the break
> even point more realistically (I would not bet above 500 participants
> next time).
>
>
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Dear all,
> Dear Otto,
>
> Do we have data about WCC 2004 in Toulouse?
I attended both WCC and the general assemby in Toulouse and I have the data
ou request.
> Was it a success?
>From technical as well from organisational viewpoints it was a great
success. In total there were more than 1000 attendees; however as the
registration was global for all events I have no data per track or other
concurrent activities (topical days, workshops, student forum, etc.). The
bad point was that the breakeven was at 1300 attendees and, in consequence
there were aprox 220000 euros of losses (report from Jean-Claude Laprie to
the general assembly).
If you need some other information, do not hesitate to ask.
Best egards
Ramon
> Total attendance? Attendance per sub-event?
>
> Best regards,
> Guy
>
>
> At 9:28 +0200 15/09/04, Otto Spaniol wrote:
> >Dear all,
> >
> >here is the first invitation for IFIP WCC 2006 in Santiago de Chile.
> >Contributions of TC's are particularly wanted.
> >You will see that TC6 is explicitly mentioned "due to its experience
> >with events in South America". The topic wil have to be discussed
> >in Bangkok.
> >
> >Best regards
> >Otto
> >
> >-----------------------
> >
> >Dear TC Chairs
> >
> >Nice seeing most of you in Toulouse, and welcome to the new TC 9 and TC 13
> >Chairs.
> >
> >As you know, I was appointed by President Brunstein as IPC Chair for WCC
> >2006 (because of some matters outside my control, this appointment will be
> >revisited.)However, in the meantime, I would like to invite all TCs, and
> >their Working Groups, to seriously consider some smaller or bigger
> >involvement in WCC 2006.
> >
> >I know some of you have already scheduled conferences for 2006, but urge you
> >to consider some (further) involvement at WCC 2006.
> >
> >It is a unique opportunity in Southern America, and some TCs like TC 6 and
> >TC 9 have experiences of being involved there.
> >
> >Please consult your management ASAP, as time is short, and we want to get
> >the structure of the program sorted out ASAP.
> >
> >Hope to hear from you.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Basie von Solms
> >Vice-President
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >ifip-tc6 mailing list
> >ifip-tc6(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE
> >http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/ifip-tc6
>
>
> --
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Prof. Guy Leduc Phone : +32 4 366 26 98
> Université de Liège Secr : +32 4 366 26 91
> Réseaux Informatiques Fax : +32 4 366 29 89
> Research Unit in Networking (RUN) Email: Guy.Leduc(a)ulg.ac.be
> EECS Department, Institut Montefiore, B 28, B-4000 LIEGE 1, BELGIUM
> http://www.run.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/People/GuyLeduc/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ifip-tc6 mailing list
> ifip-tc6(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE
> http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/ifip-tc6
>
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Ramon Puigjaner
Universitat de les Illes Balears
Departament de Ciencies Matematiques i Informatica
07122 PALMA (Spain)
Phone: +34-971173288 Fax: +34-971173003
e-mail: putxi(a)uib.es
=========================================================================
Dear all,
here is the first invitation for IFIP WCC 2006 in Santiago de Chile.
Contributions of TC's are particularly wanted.
You will see that TC6 is explicitly mentioned "due to its experience
with events in South America". The topic wil have to be discussed
in Bangkok.
Best regards
Otto
-----------------------
Dear TC Chairs
Nice seeing most of you in Toulouse, and welcome to the new TC 9 and TC 13
Chairs.
As you know, I was appointed by President Brunstein as IPC Chair for WCC
2006 (because of some matters outside my control, this appointment will be
revisited.)However, in the meantime, I would like to invite all TCs, and
their Working Groups, to seriously consider some smaller or bigger
involvement in WCC 2006.
I know some of you have already scheduled conferences for 2006, but urge you
to consider some (further) involvement at WCC 2006.
It is a unique opportunity in Southern America, and some TCs like TC 6 and
TC 9 have experiences of being involved there.
Please consult your management ASAP, as time is short, and we want to get
the structure of the program sorted out ASAP.
Hope to hear from you.
Regards
Basie von Solms
Vice-President
Dear Otto,
Currently I am in Peru giving a doctoral course and last week of this month
I will be attending CLEI (Koos will be also here).
I will talk with CLEI people in order to see how to manage LANC and WCC. I
expect to bring some sound proposal to Bangkok.
Best regards
Ramon
> Dear all,
>
> here is the first invitation for IFIP WCC 2006 in Santiago de Chile.
> Contributions of TC's are particularly wanted.
> You will see that TC6 is explicitly mentioned "due to its experience
> with events in South America". The topic wil have to be discussed
> in Bangkok.
>
> Best regards
> Otto
>
> -----------------------
>
> Dear TC Chairs
>
> Nice seeing most of you in Toulouse, and welcome to the new TC 9 and TC 13
> Chairs.
>
> As you know, I was appointed by President Brunstein as IPC Chair for WCC
> 2006 (because of some matters outside my control, this appointment will be
> revisited.)However, in the meantime, I would like to invite all TCs, and
> their Working Groups, to seriously consider some smaller or bigger
> involvement in WCC 2006.
>
> I know some of you have already scheduled conferences for 2006, but urge you
> to consider some (further) involvement at WCC 2006.
>
> It is a unique opportunity in Southern America, and some TCs like TC 6 and
> TC 9 have experiences of being involved there.
>
> Please consult your management ASAP, as time is short, and we want to get
> the structure of the program sorted out ASAP.
>
> Hope to hear from you.
>
> Regards
>
> Basie von Solms
> Vice-President
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ifip-tc6 mailing list
> ifip-tc6(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE
> http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/ifip-tc6
>
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Universitat de les Illes Balears
Departament de Ciencies Matematiques i Informatica
07122 PALMA (Spain)
Phone: +34-971173288 Fax: +34-971173003
e-mail: putxi(a)uib.es
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