On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 09:03:52PM -0700, Tim Dees wrote:
I am a new Smartlist user, so please forgive any really obvious ignorance. The messages on my list are mostly getting delivered to the list members, but all of the messages delivered to my mailbox have the subject line "Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender" or something similar. The very bottom of this message will usually have the body of the message posted to the list by another user. Does anyone have any suggestions for making this delivery system resemble something a little more normal-looking?
Tim Dees tim@timdees.com
I guess you'd have to tell what would be "more normal-looking" to you. It sounds pretty normal to me.
Your list is sending mail to mailservers which for one reason or another are unable to complete the delivery. It might be temporary, like say the user is overquota, or permanent like the address is no longer valid. So the server for these members return the mail to you, the list owner and therefore the sender. Somewhere in the message it may tell you why it was unable to complete the delivery.
Or are you saying that you get a delivery failed message on messages that actually didn't fail? If I've missed your point, maybe you could make it clearer.
Don MacDougall dmacdoug@usc.edu
I guess you'd have to tell what would be "more normal-looking" to you. It sounds pretty normal to me.
Your list is sending mail to mailservers which for one reason or another are unable to complete the delivery. It might be temporary, like say the user is overquota, or permanent like the address is no longer valid. So the server for these members return the mail to you, the list owner and therefore the sender. Somewhere in the message it may tell you why it was unable to complete the delivery.
Or are you saying that you get a delivery failed message on messages that actually didn't fail? If I've missed your point, maybe you could make it clearer.
I'm not getting "regular" messages posted to the list. They all have the "Mail Delivery Subsystem" address on them, and when there is any content of body of the message, it follows a long list of header data. I'm not much of a pro when it comes to interpreting the header data, so I don't know why I am getting all the hash.
Following is an example of what I am receiving. The only edit I made was to delete the e-mail address of the original list subscriber. That edit is enclosed in **[brackets]**: ***************************************** This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
tim@timdees.com SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:list-request@policewriter.com SIZE=4894: host mail.timdees.com [216.55.150.6]: 573 list-request@policewriter.com unknown user account
------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------
Return-path: list-request@policewriter.com Received: from cedant4.abac.com ([66.175.0.5]) by smtpc.abac.com with esmtp id 1BZgDh-000DZo-0X for tim@timdees.com; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:25:05 -0700 Received: from cedant4.abac.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cedant4.abac.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E1Nk03062445 for tim@timdees.com; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from list-request@policewriter.com) Received: (from policewriter@localhost) by cedant4.abac.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i5E1NkWZ062444 for tim@timdees.com; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from list-request@policewriter.com) X-Authentication-Warning: cedant4.abac.com: policewriter set sender to list-request@policewriter.com using -f Received: from cedant4.abac.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cedant4.abac.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5E1L803060861; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from list-request@policewriter.com) Received: (from policewriter@localhost) by cedant4.abac.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i5E1KWpI060578; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from list-request@policewriter.com) Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cedant4.abac.com: policewriter set sender to list-request@policewriter.com using -f Old-Return-Path: sdmauser@pacbell.net Message-ID: 01da01c451ad$cb129040$6401a8c0@yournorvipbzf0 From: **[e-mail information deleted to preserve privacy of subscriber]** To: list@policewriter.com References: 005c01c451ad$2d405780$b4704b0c@pavilion Subject: Re: [policewriter] Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:20:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C45173.1D7DD050" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Score: 1.563 (HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,PRIORITY_NO_NAME) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: WRWi1C.A.YyO.g1PzAB@cedant4.abac.com Resent-From: list@policewriter.com X-Loop: list@policewriter.com List-Post: mailto:list@policewriter.com List-Help: mailto:list-request@policewriter.com?subject=help List-Unsubscribe: mailto:list-request@policewriter.com?subject=unsubscribe Precedence: list Resent-Sender: list-request@policewriter.com Reply-To: list@policewriter.com X-Aplus-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Aplus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Aplus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.413, required 1, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_50_60 0.10, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) X-MailScanner-SpamScore: !
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Tim, Suddenly I've begun getting emails from the group. What changed? I = thought I'd selected an option that wouldn't send me these list = conversations? Help. ************************************************************
--As of Tuesday, June 22, 2004 6:11 PM -0700, Tim Dees is alleged to have said:
I'm not getting "regular" messages posted to the list. They all have the "Mail Delivery Subsystem" address on them, and when there is any content of body of the message, it follows a long list of header data. I'm not much of a pro when it comes to interpreting the header data, so I don't know why I am getting all the hash.
--As for the rest, it is mine.
Sounds like you are the owner of the list, but not subscribed. The owner gets sent the error messages that Smartlist can't figure out what to do with, (Since they need a human to deal with them.) and only the people on the distribution list are sent on-list emails.
My advice: subscribe to the list. Then you'll at least get the on-list emails. As for the other, well, *someone* has to deal with them.
Daniel T. Staal
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