December 2001 - Smartlist - lists.rwth-aachen.de

qmail-send is looping
by Andrew Watson 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

I am trying to set up a moderated list on an ISP server. My ISP uses qmail. After resolving some earlier problems (with help from this list - thanks!) I think I am close to success. I was able to successfully subscribe to my list. But when I send a test message to my list, I (as the only moderator and only subscriber) receive no message back. The log contains the following: >From abwatson(a)mindspring.com Sun Dec 09 23:08:45 2001 > Subject: test6 > Folder: formail -R"From X-Envelope-From:" -uDate: >-iReturn-Receipt-T 950 >From testing-request(a)visionscience.com Sun Dec 09 23:08:45 2001 > Subject: test6 > Folder: formail -R"From X-Envelope-From:" -uDate: >-iReturn-Receipt-T 1148 >From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 09 23:08:45 2001 > Subject: failure notice > Folder: request 1948 and the file "request" contains: > >From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 09 23:08:45 2001 >Return-Path: <> >Delivered-To: testing-request(a)visionscience.com >Received: (qmail 65812 invoked for bounce); 9 Dec 2001 23:08:45 -0000 >Date: 9 Dec 2001 23:08:45 -0000 >From: MAILER-DAEMON@bouncehost >To: testing-request(a)visionscience.com >Subject: failure notice >X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored >X-Envelope-To: testing-request > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > > ><abwatson(a)visionscience.com>: >This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. ... Am I doing something wrong, or is qmail sabotaging my efforts (or both...)? Any advice? -Andrew

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edit /usr/lib/aliases
by Andrew Watson 09 Dec '01

09 Dec '01

I am trying to set up a list on an ISP server which does provide procmail. I have installed the smartlist software, and edited the rc.init file. I was able to execute the createlist command, which created the appropriate directories. Then I encountered the instruction: >Now make the following entries in your /usr/lib/aliases file: >################################################ >testing: "|exec /usr/home/abwatson/users/slist/.bin/flist testing" >testing-request: "|exec /usr/home/abwatson/users/slist/.bin/flist >testing-request" >########################################################## >And make sure to run newaliases afterwards. Fine, except that > ls /usr/lib/aliases ls: /usr/lib/aliases: No such file or directory Do these instructions assume I have root access to the server? Can smartlist be used with root access? Regards, -- Andrew

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Now everyone's not on the accept list
by williamsb＠afip.osd.mil 09 Dec '01

09 Dec '01

At the minimal risk of looking more foolish, I have another problem. After uncommenting the appropriate "foreign_submit line" (dull sound of palm smacking forehead), SmartList is now doing something else. Now nothing goes through. Everyone on the accept list (delinked and different from dist) gets rejected, with an X:Diagnostic header line to the maintainer of "Not on the accept list." I edit with vi, so there aren't any errant CR's or blank lines. What say ye, O fonts of knowledge? Bruce Williams

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Newbie trying to use accept2 and accept.txt
by everett＠pobox.com 08 Dec '01

08 Dec '01

I am trying to set up a list that has the following properties: 1. Persons listed in the dist file (which is linked to the accept file) will get all postings to the list. 2. Those listed in the accept2 file can post to the list but will nor receive email from the list. 3. All others (those not in accept/dist or accept2) are not allowed to post to the list and if they do then the maintainer will get the message and the person who sent the message will receive the contents of accept.txt I "THINK" I have exactly followed the instructions in section 3c of the smartlist manual but it is not working. If anyone not listed in accept/dist posts a message to the list, the message goes to the maintainer and no one else. The sender does not get an email with the contents of accept.txt. The same results occur for senders listed in accpt2 and those not listed in accept2. In case it is helpful, I attached a text file with the contents of the following files: accept, accept2, accept.txt. rc.custom, rc.submit I will be happy to answer any other questions. Many thanks.

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Replies bypassing "accept" file
by williamsb＠afip.osd.mil 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

>I just started having trouble with my SmartLists - not sure what happened. >Today, when I go to post from now the ONLY address in the accept file, it >does not go out, and forwards the post to the maintainer with the message >"X-Diagnostic - Not on accept list" >But it is! >Has anyone seen this before - I must maintain this as a very restricted >list, as 1900 members get very teed off when anyone says hi to anyone else >on the list.... Here is an update from today - after having established a new list, I used it to send out a message (actually one apologizing fofr any confusion and that I had recompiled the list and it was working normally again). I received about ten replies to the message which were handled appropriately, but then one from a compuserve account that once again bypassed the accept file, and went out to the whole list. Talk about having a red face.... The "foreign_submit = yes" line is uncommented in both the rc.init and the rc.custom Does anyone have any ideas? Bruce

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RE: Replies bypassing "accept" file
by Munday, Merrick 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

I think this is in the FAQ ... (searching) Yup! http://www.hartzler.net/smartlist/SmartList-FAQ.html#Section_2.1 -----Original Message----- From: Remco Rijnders [mailto:remco@webconquest.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:11 AM To: smartlist(a)Lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE Subject: Re:Replies bypassing "accept" file On Friday 07 December 2001 05:48, Charlie Summers wrote: > > Er...huh? Let's look at the way the foreign_submit variable is listed in > rc.custom by default: > > #foreign_submit = yes > ##foreign_submit # uncomment this line if you > # want to restrict submitting to > # people on the accept list This is counter intuitive though. I know what it says and all that, but it easily leads you to assume that the "uncomment this line" part refers to the line just before it. I feel this section should either read: #foreign_submit = no ##foreign_submit # uncomment this line if you # want to restrict submitting to # people on the accept list *or* #foreign_submit = yes # uncomment this line if you # want to allow submissions of # people not on the accept list My 2 cents worth. Kind regards, Remmy -- ICQ: 760542, Tel: (+31) 6 11316573, http://www.webconquest.com -*- Zippy's revelation of the moment: -*- This is a NO-FRILLS flight -- hold th' CANADIAN BACON!! _______________________________________________ Smartlist mailing list Smartlist(a)lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/smartlist

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Re: Can my list have these two types of members?
by Richard G. Ball 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

On [2001-Dec-06] violet(a)torithoughts.org <violet(a)torithoughts.org> wrote: > Rich wrote: > >I setup a file (called accept5 on my server) which looks like a dist file > >and contains the addresses of people who can post but who don't want to > >receive postings. > > > >In rc.submit add accept5 to the accept and accept2 files being checked > >for allowed submitters (it is in that condition line under the check for > >foreign_submit) > > Rich, out of curiosity ... what do you use accept2 for? Or rather, how > does accept5 differ from accept2 for your list(s)? > > The reason I ask is that I use accept2 to allow select non-members to post. > (So they can post, but not get list postings.) I also use it to allow > members with multiple addresses to post from their other addresses if they > want to (seems everyone has more than one address nowadays). > > So I'm just wondering what accept5 does that accept2 doesn't. Violet, In my configuration accept is the dist file for the list and accept2 is a link to the dist file for the digest. I also have an accept4 file which is all those people allowed to turn their receipt of list mail on and off (basicly a form of un/subscribe). Accept5 is the list of addresses from which postings are accepted which are not already in the dist files. If you have been counting, <g>, you'll notice that there is a gap -- yes, there is an accept3 as well, it contains those who are permitted to access the archive functions. Rich

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Yahoo's bounce messages AGAIN rc.init file. etc.
by B & A 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

I'm back. :( OK, now I'm getting frustrated. I went into rc.init file (you just open it in a text editor, edit it, and ftp it back up, right?) and changed max names to 50 instead of 64. I figured I'd start with a small change and work my way up since I really have NO idea what I'm doing in the first place. I sent our newsletter out this morning after I did this. It shows up in the archive, but it was NOT delivered. Incidentally, ALL of the bounces are arriving in my moderators box and none of them are being removed after ANY number of bounces... I'm having to do it all by hand. I also have to do the unsubbing by hand because every time someone sends an "unsubscribe" email to newsletter-request(a)glamourgirlsinc.com like they're supposed to, it says they can't be found. When I search the dist file, they're RIGHT THERE every time. Who's dumb here... me or smartlist? <grin> So I sent the newsletter out again tonight. I also BCCed myself to make sure it went out. Well, I got the BCC, but it has not delivered, because I'm not receiving any of the bounce messages in the mod box. It's there in the archive, but it's like it's not getting through to the list. Any suggestions for any of this stuff? LOL I also have no idea how to monitor how the message is being sent out/or IF it is? Thanks a ton, Autumn

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Re: Can my list have these two types of members?
by Richard G. Ball 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

On [2001-Dec-06] everett(a)pobox.com <everett(a)pobox.com> wrote: > I need to have a mailing list to which only members can post and which has > two classes of members: > > 1. NORMAL: Members who can post to the list and receive all posts to the > list. > > 2. POST ONLY: Members who can post to the list but who receive no email > from the list. > > Is this possible with SmartList? Sure. > If so how can I do it? I setup a file (called accept5 on my server) which looks like a dist file and contains the addresses of people who can post but who don't want to receive postings. In rc.submit add accept5 to the accept and accept2 files being checked for allowed submitters (it is in that condition line under the check for foreign_submit) Rich

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Can my list have these two types of members?
by everett＠pobox.com 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

I need to have a mailing list to which only members can post and which has two classes of members: 1. NORMAL: Members who can post to the list and receive all posts to the list. 2. POST ONLY: Members who can post to the list but who receive no email from the list. Is this possible with SmartList? If so how can I do it? Many thanks.

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