Otto
What we need to calculate is the NET cost to IFIP ie what the WG pays
less the royalty to IFIP.
How IFIP splits the money internally between TCs & WGs and IFIP's central
costs is an IFIP issue not a matter for the publisher.
It appears to me
Route A (IFIP LNCS)
5850 - 1444 = 4406
Route B (Standard LNCS)
4242 - 0 = 4242
Route C (IFIP main series)
4759 - 3000 = 1759 (maximum)
(No royalty on bulk sale and 12% on sale price of full price if/when
all sold)
Otto - if your figures are correct and I do not have the information to
hand this means that after 500 euros of royalties the IFIP main series is
cheapest for the IFIP "family".
If this is correct then we have to find a way of funnelling more of the
royalty back to the TC/WGs to reduce conference costs. For example in the above
example why not give 10% of the royalty to the TC/WG that earns it. In most
cases (except where full price sales are very low - which is very unusual) the overall
cost to the TC/WG would be less than any LNCS price.
PROPOSAL -
Royalties come in to IFIP as the
books sell. An increased proportion should be given to TC/WGs. Once a steady
state is reached, TCs could subsidise future events with royalties from past
events. Everybody wins.
Note - Assuming these figures are correct, the most expensive route is
IFIP/LNCS - which looks to be a rip-off. Basically rather than sharing profits
with IFIP for offering the publisher a series to publish with the reduction of
office work and marketing etc. involved in that, LNCS add a surcharge and pass
it back to IFIP less a handling charge of 10%!
Good wishes
Roger
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-----Original Message-----
From: Otto Spaniol [mailto:spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de]
Sent: 21 October 2005 13:08
To: Spaniol; Eduard Dundler; Roger Johnson; Klaus Brunnstein;
turner@cs.clemson.edu; Amy.Brais@springer.com;
Ifip-Tc6Linformatik.Rwth-Aachen.De
Subject: LNCS Prices once again
Dear all,
there was another mistake, sor for that ("Ifip regular" was
meant to be
""standard LNCS").
Otto
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Proceedings publication example:
Assumptions: 250 pages; 151 copies taken by the organisor;
estimated 400 copies produced in total (out of which are 50
complimentary
copies if IFIP LNCS is used).
A1. Total cost for the organisor with "IFIP LNCS":
Organisor pays 101 copies, gets 50 for free.
Total price: 101 x 58 = 5,858 EURO
A2: Royalties to IFIP with "IFIP LNCS":
10 percent of estimated 350 books: 0.10 x 350
x 58 = 2,030.20 EURO
10 percent of estimated 249 books: 0.10 x 249
x 58 = 1,444.20 EURO
The second line would be valid if no royalties would
be paid for the bulk
copies; which line is the correct one?
B1. Total cost for the organisor with "Standard LNCS":
Organisor pays 101 copies, gets 50 for free.
Total price: 101 x 42 = 4,242.00 EURO
B2: Royalties to IFIP with "Standard LNCS":
None at all.
C1. Total cost for the organisor with "Regular IFIP series":
Total price: 151 x 31.52 = 4,759.52 EURO
C2: Royalties to IFIP with "Regular IFIP series":
12 percent of 400 books (list price!): 0.12 x
400 x 100 EURO =
4,800.00 EURO
12 percent of 400 books (bulk price!): 0.12 x
400 x 31.52 EURO =
1,512.96 EURO
Is has been assumed here that all of the 400 produced
copies would be sold.
I assume that royalty paid would be a mixture of price for
bulk sales
and for books sold on the free market (whose number could
be very near
to zero
since the normal list price is 125 USD, i.e. approx.
100 EURO, which is
outrageously high) and that no rroyalties will be paid for
books which
have been produced but can nver be sold due to high
prices.
This needs explanation.