Hi fellow Nerds, will any of you guys be at Meeting C++ in Berlin next month? I would love to keep in touch. Best, Odin
Op 17-Nov-15 om 9:25 PM schreef Niklas Hauser:
Hi Odin,
will any of you guys be at Meeting C++ in Berlin next month? I would love to keep in touch. Sorry, no, I won’t be going. I’m considering going to FOSDEM’16, but that is more OSS, less C++ focussed.
Maybe we could start an embedded room or whatever they call it at DOSDEM? Wouter
Hi Wouter,
will any of you guys be at Meeting C++ in Berlin next month? I would love to keep in touch. Sorry, no, I won’t be going. I’m considering going to FOSDEM’16, but that is more OSS, less C++ focussed.
Maybe we could start an embedded room or whatever they call it at DOSDEM?
FOSDEM’16 has an Embedded Developer Room. https://fosdem.org/2016/schedule/track/embedded,_mobile_and_automative/ That’s also where we presented xpcc almost two years ago: https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/the_xpcc_microcontroller_fram... Cheers, Niklas
Looks like no talks yet though, maybe we should apply. ----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ----- Von: "Niklas Hauser" <niklas.hauser@rwth-aachen.de> Gesendet: 17.11.2015 22:54 An: "xpcc Developer Discussion List" <xpcc-dev@lists.rwth-aachen.de> Betreff: Re: [xpcc-dev] Meeting C++ Hi Wouter,
will any of you guys be at Meeting C++ in Berlin next month? I would love to keep in touch. Sorry, no, I won’t be going. I’m considering going to FOSDEM’16, but that is more OSS, less C++ focussed.
Maybe we could start an embedded room or whatever they call it at DOSDEM?
FOSDEM’16 has an Embedded Developer Room. https://fosdem.org/2016/schedule/track/embedded,_mobile_and_automative/ That’s also where we presented xpcc almost two years ago: https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/the_xpcc_microcontroller_fram... Cheers, Niklas _______________________________________________ xpcc-dev mailing list xpcc-dev@lists.rwth-aachen.de http://mailman.rwth-aachen.de/mailman/listinfo/xpcc-dev
I just asked FOSDEM how many speaking positions are still available in the room. I think we should all meet there, give awesome talks and then have an interactive ask us anything / feature wish panel where people with lots of embedded experience but little meta programming skill can tell us what problems they have trouble solving due to lack of library support. The C++ standard committee is asking for input from embedders as part of the SG14 working group STL enhancement (they put embedded in with games for some reason, maybe because we both don't use exceptions and RTTI). What do you guys think? Who would like to give a talk? Best, Odin Am 18.11.2015 um 01:12 schrieb Odin Holmes:
Looks like no talks yet though, maybe we should apply. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Von: Niklas Hauser <mailto:niklas.hauser@rwth-aachen.de> Gesendet: 17.11.2015 22:54 An: xpcc Developer Discussion List <mailto:xpcc-dev@lists.rwth-aachen.de> Betreff: Re: [xpcc-dev] Meeting C++
Hi Wouter,
will any of you guys be at Meeting C++ in Berlin next month? I would love to keep in touch. Sorry, no, I won’t be going. I’m considering going to FOSDEM’16, but that is more OSS, less C++ focussed.
Maybe we could start an embedded room or whatever they call it at DOSDEM?
FOSDEM’16 has an Embedded Developer Room. https://fosdem.org/2016/schedule/track/embedded,_mobile_and_automative/
That’s also where we presented xpcc almost two years ago: https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/the_xpcc_microcontroller_fram...
Cheers, Niklas _______________________________________________ xpcc-dev mailing list xpcc-dev@lists.rwth-aachen.de http://mailman.rwth-aachen.de/mailman/listinfo/xpcc-dev
Op 07-Dec-15 om 6:25 PM schreef Odin Holmes:
I just asked FOSDEM how many speaking positions are still available in the room. I think we should all meet there, give awesome talks and then have an interactive ask us anything / feature wish panel where people with lots of embedded experience but little meta programming skill can tell us what problems they have trouble solving due to lack of library support. The C++ standard committee is asking for input from embedders as part of the SG14 working group STL enhancement (they put embedded in with games for some reason, maybe because we both don't use exceptions and RTTI).
And no heap. Except for the use of an OS it seems to me that small-embedded/real-tiem and gaming have a lot in common. But gaming seems to be a lot more active in lobbying with the comittee, so it just as well that they gree with us in most aspects :)
What do you guys think? Who would like to give a talk?
- Odin - Wouter - who for xpcc? Wouter
Am 07.12.2015 um 19:18 schrieb Wouter van Ooijen:
Op 07-Dec-15 om 6:25 PM schreef Odin Holmes:
I just asked FOSDEM how many speaking positions are still available in the room. I think we should all meet there, give awesome talks and then have an interactive ask us anything / feature wish panel where people with lots of embedded experience but little meta programming skill can tell us what problems they have trouble solving due to lack of library support. The C++ standard committee is asking for input from embedders as part of the SG14 working group STL enhancement (they put embedded in with games for some reason, maybe because we both don't use exceptions and RTTI).
And no heap. Except for the use of an OS it seems to me that small-embedded/real-tiem and gaming have a lot in common. But gaming seems to be a lot more active in lobbying with the comittee, so it just as well that they gree with us in most aspects :)
What do you guys think? Who would like to give a talk?
- Odin - Wouter - who for xpcc? Kevin on xpcc and Niklas on how mbed will allow C++11 ;P
Wouter
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Mornin',
I just asked FOSDEM how many speaking positions are still available in the room. I think we should all meet there, give awesome talks and then have an interactive ask us anything / feature wish panel where people with lots of embedded experience but little meta programming skill can tell us what problems they have trouble solving due to lack of library support.
I wouldn’t consider myself knowledgeable enough for a panel in C++, especially when it comes to Metaprogramming and Standard library support. That language and library are so complex, they regularly baffle me. There are quite a lot of languages that work on embedded by now, with even more capable microcontrollers on the market. Also consider the push for even smaller Cortex-A class embedded systems running Linux directly like Googles Brillo, or Amazons IoT platform. It gets more and more difficult to justify C++’s language complexity in this context.
What do you guys think? Who would like to give a talk?
- Odin - Wouter - who for xpcc? Kevin on xpcc and Niklas on how mbed will allow C++11 ;P
I just gave a long talk about something really cool (I’m not spoiling it) as exemplified by xpcc, which was received very well, but I wasn’t planning on giving a talk at FOSDEM’16 though. The submission deadline is the 18th December for Developer Rooms, so I have about 10 days to make up my mind. Let me talk to Kevin and my colleagues first though. Cheers, Niklas
Am 07.12.2015 um 22:02 schrieb Niklas Hauser: > Mornin', > >>>> I just asked FOSDEM how many speaking positions are still available in the room. I think we should all meet there, give awesome talks and then have an interactive ask us anything / feature wish panel where people with lots of embedded experience but little meta programming skill can tell us what problems they have trouble solving due to lack of library support. > I wouldn’t consider myself knowledgeable enough for a panel in C++, especially when it comes to Metaprogramming and Standard library support. That language and library are so complex, they regularly baffle me. That doesn't really matter, we need some good talks to attract embedders who ask for things. I can only make STL suggestions for stuff that I know I need but there is still no doubt many things I have not thought of that others need. > > There are quite a lot of languages that work on embedded by now, with even more capable microcontrollers on the market. > Also consider the push for even smaller Cortex-A class embedded systems running Linux directly like Googles Brillo, or Amazons IoT platform. As long as no batteries are involved, the product is not highly price sensitive and no hard real time guarantees are needed these are perfectly acceptable. But that is by no means the whole market. > > It gets more and more difficult to justify C++’s language complexity in this context. > >>>> What do you guys think? Who would like to give a talk? >>> - Odin >>> - Wouter >>> - who for xpcc? >> Kevin on xpcc and Niklas on how mbed will allow C++11 ;P > I just gave a long talk about something really cool (I’m not spoiling it) as exemplified by xpcc, which was received very well, but I wasn’t planning on giving a talk at FOSDEM’16 though. > > The submission deadline is the 18th December for Developer Rooms, so I have about 10 days to make up my mind. > Let me talk to Kevin and my colleagues first though. I would love to hear it. > > Cheers, > Niklas > _______________________________________________ > xpcc-dev mailing list > xpcc-dev@lists.rwth-aachen.de > http://mailman.rwth-aachen.de/mailman/listinfo/xpcc-dev
Hi there, >> It gets more and more difficult to justify C++’s language complexity in this context. >> >>>>> What do you guys think? Who would like to give a talk? >>>> - Odin >>>> - Wouter >>>> - who for xpcc? >>> Kevin on xpcc and Niklas on how mbed will allow C++11 ;P >> I just gave a long talk about something really cool (I’m not spoiling it) as exemplified by xpcc, which was received very well, but I wasn’t planning on giving a talk at FOSDEM’16 though. >> >> The submission deadline is the 18th December for Developer Rooms, so I have about 10 days to make up my mind. >> Let me talk to Kevin and my colleagues first though. > I would love to hear it. I think I misread their schedule: the submission deadline has already elapsed, so won’t be a talk from me at FOSDEM’16. https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php Cheers, Niklas
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