Sending message to non-subscribers
Currently my lists forward emails to be from those not on the accept list. How can I have the list send them a message explaining how to subscribe. I DO NOT want to enable auto subscribe for various reasons. Thank you. Jeff mailto:Jeff@intrepid-video.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com FAX 1-413-280-0677 Intrepid Video & Electronics Harrisburg, PA 17111 717-909-8844 www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net www.thetoolcaddy.com
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Intrepid Video Info wrote:
Currently my lists forward emails to be from those not on the accept list. How can I have the list send them a message explaining how to subscribe. I DO NOT want to enable auto subscribe for various reasons. Thank you. Jeff
Set your list to only accept posts from those on the accept list. In your list directory, put a file named 'accept.txt' which contains subscription or other information you would like non-subscribers to receive when they attempt to post to the list when not being a subscriber. This text will autmatically be sent out to those who attempt to post without being subscribed. Cheers, Cueman --
I have smartlist setup so that only subscribers can post plus I reject RTF/HTML mail. I have a problem in which the order these process. When a non-member posts RTF/HTML to the list, it gets rejected due to the content and get a notification message. They finally figure out what plain text means and re-send. This time it gets rejected since they are not a subscriber. Is there a way to change the order of this process. I would prefer that a non-member message gets rejected due to not being a subscriber before smartlist processes the other rules. Thanks
At 8:41 AM -0500 12/4/01, Mike G is rumored to have typed:
Is there a way to change the order of this process.
Sure. Move your check from rc.local.s00 to rc.local.s10 or s20, based on a quick read-through of rc.submit. Probably a good idea to read that file more carefully than I did, to get a handle on the way SmartList processes inbound submissions. Charlie
Hi all, Per Philip's (with ONE ell) advice, I am including some text from the bounce messages I am receiving daily from Yahoo and MSN. My list of over 12,000 opt-in susbcribers is not being fully delivered to these mail hosts because I am getting these bounce message. Does anyone know how to modify choplist in order to keep it from sending ALL of the Yahoo addresses in one chunk? Yahoo seems to accept only so many mailings to its recipients before it rejects the rest back to my moderator's box. Here are the messages from Yahoo and Hotmail. (partial) The original message was received at Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:47:28 -0500 from glamour@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- trl1977@yahoo.com (reason: 552 exceeded rcpt to max limit) Stargazer6977@yahoo.com (reason: 552 exceeded rcpt to max limit) Flandyg77@yahoo.com (reason: 552 exceeded rcpt to max limit).............................. Final-Recipient: RFC822; dzeleznok@yahoo.com Action: failed Status: 5.2.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; mx1.mail.yahoo.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 exceeded rcpt to max limit Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:48:12 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; lisapowercook@yahoo.com Action: failed Status: 5.2.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; mx1.mail.yahoo.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 exceeded rcpt to max limit Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:48:12 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; sunny444pk@yahoo.com Action: failed Status: 5.2.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; mx1.mail.yahoo.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 exceeded rcpt to max limit Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:48:12 -0500............... (it goes on like this with over 150 addresses) ***and here's the one from MSN: The original message was received at Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:43:42 -0500 from glamour@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- bigbaby11-15-00@msn.com (reason: 552 5.5.3 Too many recipients) brobin_20002000@msn.com (reason: 552 5.5.3 Too many recipients).............................. Final-Recipient: RFC822; mbaird111464@msn.com Action: failed Status: 5.5.3 Remote-MTA: DNS; smtp-gw-4.msn.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 5.5.3 Too many recipients Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:43:59 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; kimtaylor94@msn.com Action: failed Status: 5.5.3 Remote-MTA: DNS; smtp-gw-4.msn.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 5.5.3 Too many recipients Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:43:58 -0500 ........................... Any ideas anyone? Thanks!!!!!! Autumn Williams
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, B & A wrote:
Hi all,
Per Philip's (with ONE ell) advice, I am including some text from the bounce messages I am receiving daily from Yahoo and MSN. My list of over 12,000 opt-in susbcribers is not being fully delivered to these mail hosts because I am getting these bounce message. Does anyone know how to modify choplist
Any ideas anyone?
Well AOL seems to be doing a similar thing only they don't send back bounce messages, they just send your deliveries off to the bit bucket without notifying the recipient or the sender. I have lost a customer do to this. Their reasoning was that my by the book, completely compliant with the Internet electronic mail protocals, did not work with AOL even though it is AOL's fault.....after all, 33 million AOL subscribers can't be wrong, right? Could this be a trend where the big guys get bigger by 'breaking' the 'Net for the little guys? Is it time to petition to big guys to go build their own Internet if they don't like the way this one works? --Paul the Cueman --
Paul -- After a brief grep of the manual, and the sources and rc.init, I suspect you might get some joy out of playing with choplist's run-time parameters (supplied on the command line); overriding it's default values... These are: minnames = 32 # minimum number of names per call mindiffnames = 8 # minimum for maxnames-minnames maxnames = 64 # maximum number of names per call maxsplits = 0 # maximum number of parts to split dist in maxsize = 200000 # maximal disk space to be taken up per mail maxconcur = 4 # maximum number of concurrent sendmail calls Perhaps lowering maxnames would help? Perhaps a look at the source would help -- this certainly isn't over-documented. The source is multigram.c -- this one program does quintuple duty, as choplist, flist, idhash, multigram and senddigest. I'm gearing up for a FAQ update, and I'd like to include this one, so keep me posted if you find anything. Regards, Pete. SmartList FAQ: http://www.hartzler.net/smartlist/ On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Paul Thomas wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, B & A wrote:
Hi all,
Per Philip's (with ONE ell) advice, I am including some text from the bounce messages I am receiving daily from Yahoo and MSN. My list of over 12,000 opt-in susbcribers is not being fully delivered to these mail hosts because I am getting these bounce message. Does anyone know how to modify choplist
Any ideas anyone?
Well AOL seems to be doing a similar thing only they don't send back bounce messages, they just send your deliveries off to the bit bucket without notifying the recipient or the sender.
I have lost a customer do to this. Their reasoning was that my by the book, completely compliant with the Internet electronic mail protocals, did not work with AOL even though it is AOL's fault.....after all, 33 million AOL subscribers can't be wrong, right?
Could this be a trend where the big guys get bigger by 'breaking' the 'Net for the little guys? Is it time to petition to big guys to go build their own Internet if they don't like the way this one works?
--Paul the Cueman
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Pete, Sorry for the delayed response, I have been playing around with filtering my cueman mailbox to siphon off the spam and rout other legit mails other places, all the usual excuses apply! Thanks for your reply but I use qmail without choplist. If I hang in here long enough, I would like to replace choplist with a call to mysql or some such data base and handle everything from there (assuming a data base would be fast enough or at least tolerable) and then good-bye choplist. As far as aol, they finally did respond to my trouble ticket about a week and a half later. I opened the ticket when I found in my log files successful deliveries to aol and then the aol customer never receiving the mail....aol lost it. So the response I got was the test mail I sent to aol was received and they could find nothing wrong that might trigger their 'filters'. That is all I could get out of them. That is consistent with my mail customer and I suspecting aol has spam filters going that mistakenly catch legit emails. I suspect that is what is going on. The solution: Refer aol customers having trouble with their email accounts to me, I could use some more email customers!;^) Thanks again, --Paul On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Peter Hartzler wrote:
Paul --
After a brief grep of the manual, and the sources and rc.init, I suspect you might get some joy out of playing with choplist's run-time parameters (supplied on the command line); overriding it's default values... These are:
minnames = 32 # minimum number of names per call mindiffnames = 8 # minimum for maxnames-minnames maxnames = 64 # maximum number of names per call maxsplits = 0 # maximum number of parts to split dist in maxsize = 200000 # maximal disk space to be taken up per mail maxconcur = 4 # maximum number of concurrent sendmail calls
Perhaps lowering maxnames would help?
Perhaps a look at the source would help -- this certainly isn't over-documented. The source is multigram.c -- this one program does quintuple duty, as choplist, flist, idhash, multigram and senddigest.
I'm gearing up for a FAQ update, and I'd like to include this one, so keep me posted if you find anything.
Regards,
Pete. SmartList FAQ: http://www.hartzler.net/smartlist/
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Paul Thomas wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, B & A wrote:
Hi all,
Per Philip's (with ONE ell) advice, I am including some text from the bounce messages I am receiving daily from Yahoo and MSN. My list of over 12,000 opt-in susbcribers is not being fully delivered to these mail hosts because I am getting these bounce message. Does anyone know how to modify choplist
Any ideas anyone?
Well AOL seems to be doing a similar thing only they don't send back bounce messages, they just send your deliveries off to the bit bucket without notifying the recipient or the sender.
I have lost a customer do to this. Their reasoning was that my by the book, completely compliant with the Internet electronic mail protocals, did not work with AOL even though it is AOL's fault.....after all, 33 million AOL subscribers can't be wrong, right?
Could this be a trend where the big guys get bigger by 'breaking' the 'Net for the little guys? Is it time to petition to big guys to go build their own Internet if they don't like the way this one works?
--Paul the Cueman
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112042111570.20046-100000@boink.hartzler.home>, Peter Hartzler <pete@hartzler.net> writes:
Paul --
After a brief grep of the manual, and the sources and rc.init, I suspect you might get some joy out of playing with choplist's run-time parameters (supplied on the command line); overriding it's default values... These are:
minnames = 32 # minimum number of names per call mindiffnames = 8 # minimum for maxnames-minnames maxnames = 64 # maximum number of names per call maxsplits = 0 # maximum number of parts to split dist in maxsize = 200000 # maximal disk space to be taken up per mail maxconcur = 4 # maximum number of concurrent sendmail calls
Perhaps lowering maxnames would help?
We had the same problem with some extremely large announcement lists here. The solution was to reduce the `maxnames' parameter *and* to set `maxsize' to 0. Reducing `maxnames' means increasing the number of batches that are sent; increasing the number of batches means increasing the total amount of disk space consumed in the spool. If `maxsize' is left at 200000, then choplist would attempt to satisfy it by increasing the number of recipients per batch, even beyond the number specified in `maxnames'. Leaving `maxsplits' and `maxsize' at 0 forces choplist to consider only the `maxnames' parameter in deciding how to split up into batches.
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