how to approve a message on a moderated list
The manual says to add the approved: email@addre.ss to the headers? huh? I am using outlook express 5.5 and as far as I know, there's no way to edit the headers. I sent a test message from another account, and added the approved: tom@dye.com to it but this shows up in the message that goes to the list. Thanks, tom
Did you check the FAQ? "8.12: Can I issue X-Commands from the message body?" ... Yes. http://www.hartzler.net/smartlist/SmartList-FAQ.html#Section_8.12 -ph On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Newfield-Net-Host.com wrote:
The manual says to add the approved: email@addre.ss to the headers? huh? I am using outlook express 5.5 and as far as I know, there's no way to edit the headers. I sent a test message from another account, and added the approved: tom@dye.com to it but this shows up in the message that goes to the list. Thanks, tom
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Would someone please either post or email me the file ".examples/rc.local.r00" from a Smartlist setup? I don't have access to the server on which SL is running - only access through a "control panel." I'd like to be able to email changes to my email lists. Thanks Membership@mrfa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hartzler" <pete@hartzler.net> To: "Newfield-Net-Host.com" <tom@dye.com> Cc: <smartlist@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 5:34 AM Subject: Re: how to approve a message on a moderated list
Did you check the FAQ?
"8.12: Can I issue X-Commands from the message body?" ... Yes.
http://www.hartzler.net/smartlist/SmartList-FAQ.html#Section_8.12
-ph
At 7:45 AM -0500 2/1/01, MRFA Membership Chairman is rumored to have typed:
I don't have access to the server on which SL is running - only access through a "control panel."
Look again. I've seen one of these "control panel" setups, and the full install of SmartList _is_ in your list directory. You just can't see the "." directories (.bin/, .etc/) in yoiur FTP package. Telnet in, go to the root list directory (the one that _contains_ your list directory) and do a: ls -lag ...and you'll probably find it. Charlie
Without getting into a philosophical discussion about the merits of having reply-to go to the list or not, I find that applying all the instructions I have been able to dig up from this list and the FAQ still leaves me with a list which does not force all replies to the list. I've edited the lines indicated in rc.submit, added the rc.local.s20 file, etc. and still no joy. I've tested this from an address with no default reply-to and one with, and the result is always the same - reply-to the sender, not the list. If I manually reply back to the list, from that point forward all is well. How do I get the first message in a thread to reply-to the list, please. TIA Joe
segura@attcanada.ca writes:
Without getting into a philosophical discussion about the merits of having reply-to go to the list or not, I find that applying all the instructions I have been able to dig up from this list and the FAQ still leaves me with a list which does not force all replies to the list.
I've edited the lines indicated in rc.submit, added the rc.local.s20 file, etc. and still no joy.
I've tested this from an address with no default reply-to and one with, and the result is always the same - reply-to the sender, not the list. If I manually reply back to the list, from that point forward all is well.
How do I get the first message in a thread to reply-to the list, please.
What version of SmartList are you using? Did you remove the two '#'s at the beginning of this line in the lists's rc.custom file? ##reply_to = "Reply-To: $listaddr" # uncomment to force replies to If that line says "Resent-Reply-To:" instead of "Reply-To:", then you should remove the "Resent-". You want that line to read: reply_to = "Reply-To: $listaddr" # uncomment to force replies to Philip Guenther
What version of SmartList are you using?
I'm not sure, but this was in the rc.submit file: #$Id: rc.submit,v 1.83 1997/04/28 00:27:43 srb Exp $
Did you remove the two '#'s at the beginning of this line in the lists's rc.custom file?
##reply_to = "Reply-To: $listaddr" # uncomment to force replies
If that line says "Resent-Reply-To:" instead of "Reply-To:", then you should remove the "Resent-". You want that line to read:
reply_to = "Reply-To: $listaddr" # uncomment to force replies to
Yes, I did remove those # - it reads: #reply_to reply_to = "Reply-To: $listaddr" ##reply_to = "Resent-Reply-To: $listaddr" # uncomment (and perhaps change and the rc.submit file reads: -a"Subject: Unidentified subject!" ${reply_to:+"-i$reply_to"} \ With these changes, any reply to a message which has been "tricked" into the reply-to list mode by changing the To content to the list works fine. If you don't substitute the list address, no joy - it only goes back to the sender.
segura@attcanada.ca writes:
What version of SmartList are you using?
I'm not sure, but this was in the rc.submit file:
#$Id: rc.submit,v 1.83 1997/04/28 00:27:43 srb Exp $
Hmm, that looks like version 3.11pre7. If you're wondering what has changed since then, the current version's HISTORY file can be found at: http://www.procmail.org/procmail-3.15/SmartList/HISTORY ...
Yes, I did remove those # - it reads:
#reply_to
reply_to = "Reply-To: $listaddr"
##reply_to = "Resent-Reply-To: $listaddr" # uncomment (and perhaps change
and the rc.submit file reads:
-a"Subject: Unidentified subject!" ${reply_to:+"-i$reply_to"} \
With these changes, any reply to a message which has been "tricked" into the reply-to list mode by changing the To content to the list works fine. If you don't substitute the list address, no joy - it only goes back to the sender.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. You've changed rc.submit to always insert the Reply-To: header, overriding anything supplied by the sender, but I don't see anything in SmartList that would make it skip that recipe based on whether or not the list address was in a recipient header. Do you still have the messages that made brought you to that conclusion? Philip Guenther
Don't have telnet... Never had to have it, that's why I have a control panel. tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Summers" <charlie@lofcom.com> To: "MRFA Membership Chairman" <membership@mrfa.org>; <smartlist@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Re: how to approve a message on a moderated list
At 7:45 AM -0500 2/1/01, MRFA Membership Chairman is rumored to have typed:
I don't have access to the server on which SL is running - only access through a "control panel."
Look again. I've seen one of these "control panel" setups, and the full install of SmartList _is_ in your list directory. You just can't see the "." directories (.bin/, .etc/) in yoiur FTP package.
Telnet in, go to the root list directory (the one that _contains_ your list directory) and do a:
ls -lag
...and you'll probably find it.
Charlie
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Wow! That is helpful to know. I never even looked in that directory with telnet. I just assumed there was a master copy on the server that everyone was running off of b/c they tell us for the most part that we can't change deafult configs for anything. I thought you always had to provide full set of files, but wasn't sure how that translates for a hosting company using a script. I see them there. For others on Alabanza, in case you didn't know, you can pull up hidden files (beginning with .) *IF* you know the exact name. They are hidden, so you can't just click on it, but if you type the name correctly in the create/edit box, it will come up. In this case, they are in the " domain-mail " directory outside of your www. Get in there and type in .examples/rc.local.r00 or .examples/rc.local.s20 HTH! Jo Shea ---------------------------------------------------- The inventory clearance continues. Many items now 30% OFF. http://kanggah.com/babyshop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Summers" <charlie@lofcom.com>
Look again. I've seen one of these "control panel" setups, and the full install of SmartList _is_ in your list directory. You just can't see the
"."
directories (.bin/, .etc/) in yoiur FTP package.
Telnet in, go to the root list directory (the one that _contains_ your list directory) and do a:
ls -lag
...and you'll probably find it.
Charlie
Jo, OK! Now we're getting *somewhere*! I was able to bring up the 2 files you mention, thanks for the tip! Now, that I have this [ .examples/rc.local.r00 ] file, how does that help me "approve" a message?? Do I have to copy this "recipe" somewhere? And if somebody could provide a list of the names of all these hidden files; then we would know which ones to look for. Thanks! tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listmail" <ourlists@home.com> To: <smartlist@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:36 AM Subject: Is this message okay to send
Wow! That is helpful to know. I never even looked in that directory with telnet. I just assumed there was a master copy on the server that everyone was running off of b/c they tell us for the most part that we can't change deafult configs for anything. I thought you always had to provide full set of files, but wasn't sure how that translates for a hosting company using a script.
I see them there. For others on Alabanza, in case you didn't know, you can pull up hidden files (beginning with .) *IF* you know the exact name. They are hidden, so you can't just click on it, but if you type the name correctly in the create/edit box, it will come up.
In this case, they are in the " domain-mail " directory outside of your www. Get in there and type in .examples/rc.local.r00 or .examples/rc.local.s20
HTH!
Jo Shea ---------------------------------------------------- The inventory clearance continues. Many items now 30% OFF. http://kanggah.com/babyshop
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Summers" <charlie@lofcom.com>
Look again. I've seen one of these "control panel" setups, and the
full
install of SmartList _is_ in your list directory. You just can't see the "." directories (.bin/, .etc/) in yoiur FTP package.
Telnet in, go to the root list directory (the one that _contains_ your list directory) and do a:
ls -lag
...and you'll probably find it.
Charlie
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And if somebody could provide a list of the names of all these hidden files; then we would know which ones to look for. Thanks! tom
Here you go... (* are executables, @ are soft links) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- .bin: choplist* digest* idhash* mimesend* procmail@ showlink* x_command* createlist* donatelist* led* mindlist* removelist* showlist* arch_retrieve* cronlist* flist* mimencap multigram* senddigest* subscribe* arch_trunc* delink* flush_digests* mimencap.local procbounce* sendmails* unsubscribe* --------------------------------------------------------------------------- .etc: archive.txt rc.custom rc.init.old rc.request subscribe.txt help.txt rc.init rc.main rc.submit unsubscribe.txt Manual rc.archive rc.init.dist rc.post reject --------------------------------------------------------------------------- .examples: cronlist* help.txt rc.local.r00 subscreen* uuencode.dif doxcommand* mimencap.local rc.local.s20 subscribe.txt archive.txt gatherinfo* putfile retrieve.local* unsubscribe.txt --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --Joyce *******************
And if somebody could provide a list of the names of all these hidden files; then we would know which ones to look for. Thanks! tom
Here you go... (* are executables, @ are soft links) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- .bin: choplist* digest* idhash* mimesend* procmail@ showlink* x_command* createlist* donatelist* led* mindlist* removelist* showlist* arch_retrieve* cronlist* flist* mimencap multigram* senddigest* subscribe* arch_trunc* delink* flush_digests* mimencap.local
sendmails* unsubscribe* --------------------------------------------------------------------------
.etc: archive.txt rc.custom rc.init.old rc.request subscribe.txt help.txt rc.init rc.main rc.submit unsubscribe.txt Manual rc.archive rc.init.dist rc.post reject --------------------------------------------------------------------------
.examples: cronlist* help.txt rc.local.r00 subscreen* uuencode.dif doxcommand* mimencap.local rc.local.s20 subscribe.txt archive.txt gatherinfo* putfile retrieve.local* unsubscribe.txt --------------------------------------------------------------------------
THank you Joyce. Now, back to my original question: how do I format an "approved" command, so it appends to the headers?? I don't know what to do with the "recipe" in the examples\rc.local.r00 file? THanks, tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Miletic" <jmiletic@home.com> To: "Newfield-Net-Host.com" <tom@dye.com>; <smartlist@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Is this message okay to send procbounce* - - -
--Joyce *******************
Would someone please either post or email me the file ".examples/rc.local.r00" from a Smartlist setup? I don't have access to
OK, where do I find these examples files? I, too, am accessing it through a control panel, & it is not included there. I would gladly volunteer some web space to make these avalable for others, if that will help. Thanks, tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "MRFA Membership Chairman" <membership@mrfa.org> To: <smartlist@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: Re: how to approve a message on a moderated list the
server on which SL is running - only access through a "control panel." I'd like to be able to email changes to my email lists.
Thanks
Membership@mrfa.org
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hartzler" <pete@hartzler.net> To: "Newfield-Net-Host.com" <tom@dye.com> Cc: <smartlist@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 5:34 AM Subject: Re: how to approve a message on a moderated list
Did you check the FAQ?
"8.12: Can I issue X-Commands from the message body?" ... Yes.
http://www.hartzler.net/smartlist/SmartList-FAQ.html#Section_8.12
-ph
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When I was with a host that had a control Panel there was an icon for File Manager. Under that was the directory structure for your files. Mine was found under www.automated-data.net-mail (there was also -secure and -www) Once you get into the Mail, you'll see the directory for your list, (in my case FCC) in there you will find the rc.* files as well as accept, dist and all the others for your list. You most probably won't find the example files, but they may exist under a temp directory. Liz At 10:06 AM 2/1/2001, Newfield-Net-Host.com wrote:
OK, where do I find these examples files? I, too, am accessing it through a control panel, & it is not included there. I would gladly volunteer some web space to make these avalable for others, if that will help. Thanks, tom
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I've already looked at mail\mylist\ folder: there is NO examples folder, there is NO "temp" folder... There ARE rc.* files, but, I have no idea what to do with them. All I'm asking is if anybody has these "examples" files anywhere, and could share them. I don't need to join another email list at this time, obviously, if you were knowledgable about smartlist, you wouldn't be running an alabanza list on egroups. I just need to get this list up and running. tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Logan" <lizlogan@automated-data.net> To: "Newfield-Net-Host.com" <tom@dye.com>; <smartlist@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: Re: how to approve a message on a moderated list
When I was with a host that had a control Panel there was an icon for File Manager. Under that was the directory structure for your files. Mine was found under www.automated-data.net-mail (there was also -secure and -www) Once you get into the Mail, you'll see the directory for your list, (in my case FCC) in there you will find the rc.* files as well as accept, dist and all the others for your list. You most probably won't find the example files, but they may exist under a temp directory.
Liz
At 10:06 AM 2/1/2001, Newfield-Net-Host.com wrote:
OK, where do I find these examples files? I, too, am accessing it through a control panel, & it is not included there. I would gladly volunteer some web space to make these avalable for others, if that will help. Thanks, tom
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Yes, and I found this "recipe" in the .examples/rc.local.r00 .. MY question is "What do I do with this recipe? Copy and paste it in to the email? Copy it into a configuration file? Rename it as an exucutible? What do I do with the recipe? Maybe somebody who does this all the time, can explain to someone who has never used unix. Thanks, tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hartzler" <pete@hartzler.net> To: "Newfield-Net-Host.com" <tom@dye.com> Cc: <smartlist@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 6:34 AM Subject: Re: how to approve a message on a moderated list
Did you check the FAQ?
"8.12: Can I issue X-Commands from the message body?" ... Yes.
http://www.hartzler.net/smartlist/SmartList-FAQ.html#Section_8.12
-ph
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Newfield-Net-Host.com wrote:
The manual says to add the approved: email@addre.ss to the headers? huh? I am using outlook express 5.5 and as far as I know, there's no way to edit the headers. I sent a test message from another account, and added the approved: tom@dye.com to it but this shows up in the message that goes to the list. Thanks, tom
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Yes, and I found this "recipe" in the .examples/rc.local.r00 .. MY question is "What do I do with this recipe? Copy and paste it in to the email? Copy it into a configuration file? Rename it as an exucutible? What do I do with the recipe? Maybe somebody who does this all the time, can explain to someone who has never used unix. Thanks, tom You make a copy called rc.local.r00 and place it in the list directory. Of course, you also have a moderators file and you uncomment rc.local.r00 in the rc.custom file. Now when you add the Approved line at the top of the body of the message, with a blank line between it and the rest of the body, the Approved line will be treated like a header. BTW, speaking of using control panels, 100% of this is done for you when you change your newly created list into a moderators list using the control panel's mail manager. The problem with this utility is that it can only be used once. If you change the list into let's say a newsletter and then want to go back and change it to a moderated list, it won't work. Have to start with a new list. :o( I work for the company that created this utility from my specifications and the really irritating thing about it is that I asked for a default, 'return to normal state', but somehow that never happened. If enough of you ask for it, I can have it together and uploaded to all control panels in our network in a flash. --Joyce
Yes, and I found this "recipe" in the .examples/rc.local.r00 .. MY question is "What do I do with this recipe? Copy and paste it in to the email? Copy it into a configuration file? Rename it as an exucutible? What do I do with the recipe? Maybe somebody who does this all the time, can explain to someone who has never used unix. Thanks, tom
You make a copy called rc.local.r00 and place it in the list directory. Of course, you also have a moderators file and you uncomment rc.local.r00 in the rc.custom file. Now when you add the Approved line at the top of the body of the message, with a blank line between it and the rest of the
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Great to get it " ... straight from the horse's keyboard ... " ... This is precisely what I was trying to figure out. Hopefully, Alabanza will get it together and implement your original specs.. Once again, I am genuinely grateful for your help. tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Miletic" <jmiletic@alabanza.com> To: "Newfield-Net-Host.com" <tom@dye.com> Cc: <smartlist@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: RE: how to approve a message on a moderated list body,
the Approved line will be treated like a header.
BTW, speaking of using control panels, 100% of this is done for you when you change your newly created list into a moderators list using the control panel's mail manager. The problem with this utility is that it can only be used once. If you change the list into let's say a newsletter and then want to go back and change it to a moderated list, it won't work. Have to start with a new list. :o( I work for the company that created this utility from my specifications and the really irritating thing about it is that I asked for a default, 'return to normal state', but somehow that never happened. If enough of you ask for it, I can have it together and uploaded to all control panels in our network in a flash.
--Joyce
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Charlie Summers -
Joyce Miletic -
Joyce Miletic -
Listmail -
Liz Logan -
MRFA Membership Chairman -
Newfield-Net-Host.com -
Peter Hartzler -
Philip Guenther -
segura＠attcanada.ca -
Tom＠Dye.com