Adding my Amen to Shalom's message. I have been sorely tempted to write a similar message. Dan At 05:33 PM 7/29/2002, Shalom Bonham wrote: Dear Charlie, After monitoring this list for about a year and a half now, I think (as I'm sure MANY others do as well) that's it's time for you to get down off your homemade pedestal and stop being such a self-imposed JERK. You are no doubt an excellent coder, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to be, too. Otherwise, the only need for this list would be to inflate some already over-inflated egos. We all have our areas of expertise, while in other areas we depend on someone else's. When done in a manner of genuine community spirit, not only do great things happen, but we can enjoy doing them, too. I'm sorry if you've had a bad day, but really . . . with your knowledge and expertise . . . there is no excuse for such poor email, or any other kind of, etiquette and common courtesy. You will probably have a snide and clever comeback, but might I suggest, that if you truly want to be the "mentor/teacher" of this list, that you will simply accept this as constructive criticism . . . silently; and remember it the next time you respond to someone less "gifted" than yourself. We could learn a lot from you . . . if you would only let us. Shalom Self-imposed ignoramus and peacemaker