August 2000 - Smartlist - lists.rwth-aachen.de

SmartList still being maintained/developed?
by John Conover 18 Aug '00

18 Aug '00

Is SmartList still being developed, or is it being maintained as is? Thanks, John -- John Conover Tel. 408.370.2688 conover(a)inow.com 631 Lamont Ct. Cel. 408.772.7733 Campbell, CA 95008 Fax. 408.379.9602 http://www.johncon.com

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Re:procmail.org future plans (was Re: does anyone find it ironic that smartlist mailing list is using Mailman? )
by Matthew_G_Saroff＠raytheon.com 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

I believe that one noted software developer said that if you could not fit the software development team in a VW Bug to go out for Pizza, it was too large. -- Matthew G. Saroff The Opinions Expressed are not those Raytheon. (972)205-4859 Charlie Summers <charlie(a)lofcom.com> 08/17/00 12:42 PM To: procmail-dev(a)procmail.org, smartlist(a)Lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE, procmail(a)Lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE cc: (bcc: Matthew G Saroff/RCS/Raytheon/US) Subject: Re:procmail.org future plans (was Re: does anyone find it ironic that smartlist mailing list is using Mailman? ) --snip-- I'm sorry, kids, but procmail and SmartList are not major software projects - they can (and should, and indeed MUST) be maintained by ONE PERSON, who accepts or rejects the bug fixes/feature requests of the users at his discression, and who understands the internals of the code - I certainly am not qualified, and I'm betting there isn't much of anyoine other than Phillip who is. (And if you don't like the direction he is going, the source is open and you are welcomed to alter it to your heart's content.)

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Re: smartlist.org
by David R. Linn 16 Aug '00

16 Aug '00

>> > I personally believe we need to revive the plan to move the lists to >> > procmail.org and smartlist.org. >> >> Could you please let me know, who were the members of the group planning >> this. I saw that smartlist.org is only registered and not used. I >> would be willing to host this domain, set up the smartlist list (running >> with SL!) and the searchable web archive. >> >> I could be up and running within 1-2 weeks. I could also set up CVS >> for the SL package. I was mistaken in my recollection that we (the procmail/SmartLis community) had registered both names. Smartlist.org is not related to our favorite MLM, a situation I have verified by discussion with its owner. The *actual* previous plan was (I *now* believe) to move the all of the procmail/SmartList lists to procmail.org. So far, all that appears to have happened is that procmail-users(a)procmail.org and smartlist-users(a)procmail.org currently act as forwarding aliases to the RWTH-Aachen lists. I don't currently recall where the discussion took place; it may have been on smartlist@aachen, on smartist-dev@procmail (or on the corresponding procmail lists) or somewhere else entirely. That part of my memory, err...., mail archive is temporarily inaccessible because I needed the disk space for something else. I, too, could host the actual mailing lists or oversee them on a remote host (perhaps as part of a team). However, I do not propose or even support separation of SmartList development from procmail development; I believe the CVS idea will need approval from Philip Guenther (current chief procmail/smartlist developer) and/or SRB (our founder and chief developer emeritus :-))

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footer.txt - Can it do variable interpolation?
by Patrick Salsbury 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

This is a similar, but different issue to the one below. I've looked through the FAQ, and the archives of the list that I've still got around (400+ messages), but don't see an answer: Is there a way of interpolating variables within the header.txt or footer.txt files, so that I could use a generic footer.txt for numerous lists? So the file may say: To unsubscribe, mail to '$list@$domain' with subject 'unsubscribe' And I'd like $list and $domain to be expanded out per list. (I run about 2 dozen lists, so it'd be nice to just use one file.) Has anyone done this? FAQ #2.11 seems like something in the right direction. Would I have to build the file out of rc.local.s20 every time there was a submission, though? That seems wasteful. Pat On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 08:45:54PM +0300, Dan Craioveanu wrote: > I have tried the Solution in the SmartList FAQ. But, still, there's no > message appearing eather as a header or footer. > > I have created a file called header.txt and one called footer.txt with the > text to add to the message. > > I've uncommented the line "RC_LOCAL_SUBMIT_20 = rc.local.s20" from my > rc.custom file, and added the following to my rc.local.s20 file: > > # > # Adding a disclaimer in front of every mail: > # > > :0 fhw > | cat - header.txt > > # > # Appending a footer to every outgoing mail: > # > > :0 fbw > | cat - footer.txt > > > I have even tried all the other solutions in the Smart List mailing list > archive, but with no result. > > Please help, > > Thanks > -- Pat ___________________Think For Yourself____________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/ Fuel Cells: Electricity for home, car, or business. 0% emmissions, 0% charge-time. - http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Fuel-Cells/ --------------------------------------------------------- Do you value your privacy? If so, take note of what's coming down the pipe: The United States Government should encourage the development of those products that would provide a capability allowing law enforcement (Federal, State, and local), with a court order only, to gain timely access to the plaintext of either stored data or data in transit. Unless law enforcement has the benefit of such market encouragement, drug traffickers, spies, child pornographers, pedophiles, kidnappers, terrorists, mobsters, weapons proliferators, fraud schemers, and other criminals will be able to use encryption software to protect their criminal activity and hinder the criminal justice system. 106th CONGRESS - 1st Session HR2616 - Section 3 (Para. 14-15) July 27, 1999 - http://thomas.loc.gov/

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Re: does anyone find it ironic that smartlist mailing list is using Mailman?
by Werner Reisberger 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 12:23:13PM -0400, Charlie Summers wrote: > > I never saw any > > admin reply to the numerous complains about spam messages. > > Actually, that's not _strictly_ true, since I remember when Stephen was > actually maintaining the list (and probably anally have archives of the list > from that time somewhere on some floppy or MO cart from a long time ago and > far far away). But you're right, it's been _years_ since he's been around. If someone doesn't care for 3 years for a list, although numerous complains has been sent, than there wasn't a maintainer. I am also not sure if Stephen really was the maintainer. I also think that the maintainer has to decide in the end what happens with a list but I cannot understand people who are doing nothing for a list, permitting postings of spam for years and suddenly deciding nonsense without asking anybody. > However, the list belongs to the maintainer (or at least the machine's > admin), not the members. You'll get no argument from me that the list should > be moved (I believe I said exactly that a couple of times), but to suggest > the admins need to take a poll to ask what they may or may not do with the > existing list is silly, to say the least. They are certainly able to move > this list to mailman without the list subscriber's permission - indeed, they > _have_ done so, which makes my point for me. Your argumentation would be sensible if there would have been any maintainer. As I said before, there wasn't any maintainer since years. Therefore it would be at least polite if the new maintainer would ask the list what could be done. This list is nothing without the voluntary contributions of many list admins. I cannot say whether the move to mailman was unavoidable, because I don't read the procmail list and today I read first about this move. For me this move is only one more example for the complete ignorance with which SL subscribers have been treated. I think there hasn't changed anything in this respect because the move to mailman has been done by the university of Aachen for technical reasons. I am pretty sure that no one of SL's ghost maintainer(s) was involved. Therefore we are still in the same situation. There isn't a SL maintainer available. Now there is at least one Mailman maintainer available who stopped the spam - thanks God! If we want the SL list running on SL we should at first know who is the responsible (living) person for such questions or who should it be. Werner

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Archive Directory Permissions
by Dave Bacon 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

This list has been VERY helpful and responsive to my questions on using SmartList. Thank you. I have one last question concerning the arch_trunc script from the O'Reilly & Associates Managing Mailing Lists book. There seams to be a permissions problem with the directories created by the script. The script creates directories with a permission set to 2770. Here is what it looks like: drwxrws--- 4 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:23 . drwxrws--x 3 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:30 .. d-wx-wS--T 2 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:23 200008 drwxrws--- 2 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:23 latest If I try to get a dir listing of the 200008 directory the server returns an email stating: ls -l 200008 BEGIN---------------cut here------------------ ls: 200008: Permission denied END-----------------cut here------------------ What would you recommend I change the 2770 to so we can request the content of this directory? I can do a "get" to receive individual files within the 200008 directory. Since this list is not used heavily it would be useful to see what days of the month are available to "get". Thanks again for all your help. -- _________________________________________ Dave G. Bacon Computer Network Manager Outagamie Waupaca Library System 225 N. Oneida St., Appleton, WI 54911 920/832-6193(voice), 920/832-6422(FAX) dbacon(a)mail.owls.lib.wi.us _________________________________________

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Re: Archive Directory Permissions
by David R. Linn 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

>> >> >d-wx-wS--T 2 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:23 200008 >> >> >drwxrws--- 2 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:23 latest ... >> >> That's not a 2770. You need read permission on the directory as >> >> well as execute permission. And why is it sgid anyway? I.e. what >> >> would be wrong with chmod 770 200008 ? >> >> to be more specific, the modes of that directory appear to be >> 03320. This has the read bit set only for the owner and has the >> search bit set for no one. 02770 would display as 'drwxrws---', >> just like the parent of the 200008 directory. Ever have one of *those* days?? The above *should* say "This has the *search* bit set only for the owner and has the *read* bit set for no one."

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Re: Archive Directory Permissions
by David R. Linn 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

>> >the script. The script creates directories with a permission set to >> >2770. Here is what it looks like: >> > >> >drwxrws--- 4 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:23 . >> >drwxrws--x 3 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:30 .. >> >d-wx-wS--T 2 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:23 200008 >> >drwxrws--- 2 smart smart 1024 Aug 8 09:23 latest >> > >> >If I try to get a dir listing of the 200008 directory the server returns >> >an email stating: >> > >> >ls -l 200008 >> >BEGIN---------------cut here------------------ >> >ls: 200008: Permission denied >> >END-----------------cut here------------------ >> >> That's running as the user "smart"? >> >> That's not a 2770. You need read permission on the directory as >> well as execute permission. And why is it sgid anyway? I.e. what >> would be wrong with chmod 770 200008 ? to be more specific, the modes of that directory appear to be 03320. This has the read bit set only for the owner and has the search bit set for no one. 02770 would display as 'drwxrws---', just like the parent of the 200008 directory. Is either the uid corresponding to username "smart" or the gid corresponding to groupname "smart" 1744?

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I do apologize Werner but ...
by werner＠pure.ch 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

... i wanted to show my problem by giving an example. now, is there a way to prevent this, please? i'm actually a new member by the address vulpes(a)mail.com. regards note: first somebody attempted and succeded this kind of mail in my list, then i tried 3 times and succeded. now this is my fourth. hope i succeed an find a solution to it. ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!

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One last question on the arch_trunc script
by Dave Bacon 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

Concerning the perl script in which I had an earlier question, (thanks for the fix Roger). The line: if ($ENV{'ARCHIVE'} =~ /[248]$/) is to prevent the script from running with every submission to the list. (I think) What does this line really do? Is there a way to tell how often it is allowing the script to complete? On a lesser used list, is there a way to increase the interval of how often the script completes? I am not sure if it is based on the number of messages sent to the list or on some sort of time interval. Thanks again for your help -- _________________________________________ Dave G. Bacon Computer Network Manager Outagamie Waupaca Library System 225 N. Oneida St., Appleton, WI 54911 920/832-6193(voice), 920/832-6422(FAX) dbacon(a)mail.owls.lib.wi.us _________________________________________

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