Dear all,
I just received word that Springer has agreed to a trial with IFIP publications. The description of the program is described in the attachment. It even works!
I found registration a bit awkward for problems that I do not understand. But after finally being registered, one has, at this point, access to some twenty-three IFIP conference proceedings. I have successfully downloaded a pdf version of one of our papers.
I will append the text of the announcement at the end of this note. The trial will last for one year.
I have no idea how all of this happened. I am copying Otto; perhaps he can explain.
Yes, this was discussed and presented at the publication committee meeting at the occasion of the IFIP council from where I'm just returning. I got a printed version of the advertising sheet but I attach it for everybody once more (see attachment). Nevertheless, things with Springer are far from being perfect (even if they are improving slightly). The way to IFIP DL was discussed in much detail. There are three steps planned: 1. An archive (to be maintained by IFIP itself as a collection of CD's or so; interestingly, Springer would be willing to do that; but IFIP secretariat believe that it can be done there practically without any cost - and of course with no particular service quality). 2. A basic digital library (renamed from the original wording "electronic repository" according to the suggestions made by TC6, particular thanks to Harry Rudin and to Peter Radford!). Interestingly enough, Springer is not at all interested in that. It was also unclear whether this basic digital library should also include some other material than the papers, e.g. conference announcements which would be deleted after the conference has happened. Nobody had the slightest idea about cost and how, when and where to make a bid for such a basic DL. Also copyright issues and linking to Springer (if somebody else operates the basic DL) were fully unsolved and unsolvable since of course Jennifer's mandate was only the mandate to stay negative if a critical issue comes up. So things ended once more without any concrete plan; IFIP is little more than a collection of low-qualified bureaucrats! But bureaucrats who cann at least appreciate the positive things of an excellent dinner - such a dinner was organised by our host Ramon Puigjaner who really did an absolutely great job!! 3. A "real" DL - which is of course even more in the nirwana than the basic DL. On the more positive side: The "sleeping pill" Jennifer Evans has been upgraded so much in the Springer hierarchy that she cannot do any further harm. The real business will be done from now on by Amy Brais <amy.brais@spüringer.com>. Please contact Amy whenever you have a publication problem. I'm confident that she will do a much better job. Finally (for Guy Pujolle and Harry Perros !!!): I tried to cut the Gordian knot concerning the "TC6 journal". Amy Brais told me that she waits desparately for a message from Guy and/or Harry. She said that she had send out such a inquiry but had never received an answer. What she would like to have are aims and scopes of the journal and maybe a concrete plan about how the journal might be installed. So this ball is now on our side (Springer is not guilty for themoment being). We have to plack the ball back. Guy and Harry: Please do it! Best regards Otto
So it seems that the "TC6 journal" is somehow happening. Good news !! Neuman. On 3/7/06, Otto Spaniol <spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
Dear all,
I just received word that Springer has agreed to a trial with IFIP publications. The description of the program is described in the attachment. It even works!
I found registration a bit awkward for problems that I do not understand. But after finally being registered, one has, at this point, access to
some
twenty-three IFIP conference proceedings. I have successfully downloaded a pdf version of one of our papers.
I will append the text of the announcement at the end of this note. The trial will last for one year.
I have no idea how all of this happened. I am copying Otto; perhaps he can explain.
Yes, this was discussed and presented at the publication committee meeting at the occasion of the IFIP council from where I'm just returning. I got a printed version of the advertising sheet but I attach it for everybody once more (see attachment). Nevertheless, things with Springer are far from being perfect (even if they are improving slightly).
The way to IFIP DL was discussed in much detail. There are three steps planned:
1. An archive (to be maintained by IFIP itself as a collection of CD's or so; interestingly, Springer would be willing to do that; but IFIP secretariat believe that it can be done there practically without any cost - and of course with no particular service quality).
2. A basic digital library (renamed from the original wording "electronic repository" according to the suggestions made by TC6, particular thanks to Harry Rudin and to Peter Radford!). Interestingly enough, Springer is not at all interested in that. It was also unclear whether this basic digital library should also include some other material than the papers, e.g. conference announcements which would be deleted after the conference has happened. Nobody had the slightest idea about cost and how, when and where to make a bid for such a basic DL. Also copyright issues and linking to Springer (if somebody else operates the basic DL) were fully unsolved and unsolvable since of course Jennifer's mandate was only the mandate to stay negative if a critical issue comes up. So things ended once more without any concrete plan; IFIP is little more than a collection of low-qualified bureaucrats! But bureaucrats who cann at least appreciate the positive things of an excellent dinner - such a dinner was organised by our host Ramon Puigjaner who really did an absolutely great job!!
3. A "real" DL - which is of course even more in the nirwana than the basic DL.
On the more positive side: The "sleeping pill" Jennifer Evans has been upgraded so much in the Springer hierarchy that she cannot do any further harm. The real business will be done from now on by Amy Brais <amy.brais@spüringer.com>. Please contact Amy whenever you have a publication problem. I'm confident that she will do a much better job.
Finally (for Guy Pujolle and Harry Perros !!!): I tried to cut the Gordian knot concerning the "TC6 journal". Amy Brais told me that she waits desparately for a message from Guy and/or Harry. She said that she had send out such a inquiry but had never received an answer. What she would like to have are aims and scopes of the journal and maybe a concrete plan about how the journal might be installed. So this ball is now on our side (Springer is not guilty for themoment being). We have to plack the ball back. Guy and Harry: Please do it!
Best regards Otto
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On 3/7/06, Otto Spaniol <spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
So it seems that the "TC6 journal" is somehow happening. Good news !!
Neuman.
Hopefully so, but a lot of work is needed from our side, too. Please contribute to it!
- sure ! I would appreciate to contribute to this task effort. BR, Neuman. Best wishes
Otto
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Dear Otto, Let me remind you that we decided to go "open access" for the TC6 journal. As far as I know, Springer is not, and Guy Pujolle agreed that the Springer solution was not the best approach. There is no room for another classical high quality journal in networking. This is probably the reason why Guy P. and Harry P. did not react to Springer emails. Best regards, Guy At 13:30 +0100 7/03/06, Otto Spaniol wrote:
So it seems that the "TC6 journal" is somehow happening. Good news !!
Neuman.
Hopefully so, but a lot of work is needed from our side, too. Please contribute to it!
Best wishes Otto
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Dear Guy,
Let me remind you that we decided to go "open access" for the TC6 journal. As far as I know, Springer is not, and Guy Pujolle agreed that the Springer solution was not the best approach. There is no room for another classical high quality journal in networking. This is probably the reason why Guy P. and Harry P. did not react to Springer emails.
I don't understand things anymore: In Wroclaw Guy Pujolle was complaining that Springer did not support the initiative. Now Springer supports it (and has apparently supported it) - but we are still far from being satisfied. Are we crazy or what? Do we want a TC6 journal or not? Living with the "best approach" is a nice dream but sometimes it might be acceptable to accept the second best approach. Best regards Otto
Otto, At 20:50 +0100 7/03/06, Otto Spaniol wrote:
Dear Guy,
Let me remind you that we decided to go "open access" for the TC6 journal. As far as I know, Springer is not, and Guy Pujolle agreed that the Springer solution was not the best approach. There is no room for another classical high quality journal in networking. This is probably the reason why Guy P. and Harry P. did not react to Springer emails.
I don't understand things anymore: In Wroclaw Guy Pujolle was complaining that Springer did not support the initiative. Now Springer supports it (and has apparently supported it) - but we are still far from being satisfied. Are we crazy or what?
Sure! :-)
Do we want a TC6 journal or not?
In the long run, it makes little sense to have a TC6 journal published by an official publisher like Springer. In 4 years from now, IFIP and Springer may have no agreement any more. If our journal is published by Springer, what shall we do? I think we should look for open access solutions (for the TC6 journal AND the IFIP DL). This is the only reasonable way. Do you think Springer could accept the idea of a fully open access journal (at no cost for authors and no cost for readers) with copyrights retained by authors? If so, we may not close that door.
Living with the "best approach" is a nice dream but sometimes it might be acceptable to accept the second best approach.
Best regards, Guy
Best regards Otto
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Dear Guy and all,
In the long run, it makes little sense to have a TC6 journal published by an official publisher like Springer. In 4 years from now, IFIP and Springer may have no agreement any more. If our journal is published by Springer, what shall we do?
It is a fact that we discussed in Poland the possibility of having a TC6 journal published by Springer! My impression is that this was just one of our numerous nonnsense discussions.
I think we should look for open access solutions (for the TC6 journal AND the IFIP DL). This is the only reasonable way.
Do you think Springer could accept the idea of a fully open access journal (at no cost for authors and no cost for readers) with copyrights retained by authors? If so, we may not close that door.
If somebody wants to discuss with Springer about that, please do so. I wish him or her good luck. Springer will probably ask this person whether she lives in this world or not: no cost for authors and no cost for readers but probably "some" production cost for Springer. Who would compensate for that? Springer has to pay the employees etc. The dream of financing everything by advertisement (this might be also in the background of the above proposal) is more than questionable. Springer may not be the solution that we want; however, several TC6 delegates have already expressed that they would be happy with such a suboptimal solution. Furthermore: "I you don't get what you like you will have to like what you get". Best regards Otto
Dear Otto, At 8:38 +0100 8/03/06, Otto Spaniol wrote:
Dear Guy and all,
In the long run, it makes little sense to have a TC6 journal published by an official publisher like Springer. In 4 years from now, IFIP and Springer may have no agreement any more. If our journal is published by Springer, what shall we do?
It is a fact that we discussed in Poland the possibility of having a TC6 journal published by Springer!
We discussed and concluded not to do it, if my recollection is correct.
My impression is that this was just one of our numerous nonnsense discussions.
Probably we all like nonsense in TC6, otherwise we wouldn't be there! :-)
I think we should look for open access solutions (for the TC6 journal AND the IFIP DL). This is the only reasonable way.
Do you think Springer could accept the idea of a fully open access journal (at no cost for authors and no cost for readers) with copyrights retained by authors? If so, we may not close that door.
If somebody wants to discuss with Springer about that, please do so. I wish him or her good luck. Springer will probably ask this person whether she lives in this world or not: no cost for authors and no cost for readers but probably "some" production cost for Springer. Who would compensate for that? Springer has to pay the employees etc. The dream of financing everything by advertisement (this might be also in the background of the above proposal) is more than questionable.
According to this argument, no open access journal would exist, right? As this is obviously not the case, we are living in this world too! I agree that the business model is a tricky issue, but hopefully solvable.
Springer may not be the solution that we want; however, several TC6 delegates have already expressed that they would be happy with such a suboptimal solution. Furthermore: "I you don't get what you like you will have to like what you get".
There is no point in having a poor TC6 journal that we are forced to like. I'd prefer no TC6 journal at all and publish our papers in existing renowned journals. There is too much noise in scientific publications already: too many events and journals without any impact, just to allow second class researchers to have some lines on their publication lists. I guess the future of TC6 is NOT to be the "second (or last) choice" for publications. The only way to make a breakthrough in this old-fashioned publication world is to set up a quality networking journal which is open access before anyone else does. Are we afraid of pioneering anything? Do we always want to sell our souls to greedy publishers? Best regards, Guy
Best regards Otto
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Otto, Sorry for the late answer. I did not look at more of my email for a week. May be some questions are discussed more in details in next mails. Concerning the IFIP Journal and the events, you will find in the following an exchange of emails that finished on a confcall. In this confcall it was asked us all the email files we have to eventually advertized the future Journal, to produce a large number of contacts and a lot of things so that Springer can think about the possibility or not to launch the Journal. The very pessimistic conclusion of this confcall was interpreted by Harry and I as a negative answer to our proposal. However, we prepared a new proposal that was stopped by the conflict between Otto and Harry. At that point we were thinking Harry and I to have a free journal and DL, etc. So may be the Springer message after the confcall was not correctly intrepreted by Harry and I but I am not sure about that. I will be reading next mails during the week-end. Best regards, Guy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com> To: "Harry Perros" <hp@csc.ncsu.edu> Cc: "Guy Pujolle" <Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr>; "IFIP Mailbox" <ifip@springer-sbm.com>; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; "Klaus Brunnstein" <brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>; "Eduard Dundler" <eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Let's make a start with a call between us anyway. OK? If so please send me you number, and I'll call you at 9:15 (bad snow!!). Hopefully Guy will read this mail by then and be able to join.
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From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/26/2005 11:16 AM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Guy Pujolle; IFIP Mailbox; r.johnson@bcs.org.uk; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hallo Jeniffer:
I am acually free this Friday 9 am. I don't know about Guy, though. He sometimes travels a lot. I he is to join us, it wil be from France.
Harry
On Jan 26, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Evans, Jennifer wrote:
Dear Harry,
I would love to come to Belize. Not sure I can though! When will you next both be together?
I can have a teleconference on this Friday at 9AM NYC time. Does this work for you?
Jennifer
From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/12/2005 9:06 PM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Lambert, Yana; Guy Pujolle; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hi Jennifer
As Guy said we will not be going to South Korea. Maybe we can setup a teleconference.. unless you feel like coming down to Belize !!
Harry
On Jan 12, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Guy Pujolle wrote:
I don't think so. From March 1 to 13, I will be with Harry and participating in a workshop in Belize on March 11 and 12. Best regards, Guy _______________________________________________ Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr - LIP6-CNRS - Université Paris 6 Assistante: Laetitia.Jacquey@lip6.fr, Tel: +33 1 44 27 87 74 - Fax: +33 1 44 27 87 83
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com> To: "Harry Perros" <hp@csc.ncsu.edu> Cc: "Lambert, Yana" <Yana.Lambert@springer-sbm.com>; "Guy Pujolle" <Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr>; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; "Klaus Brunnstein" <brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>; "Eduard Dundler" <eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Dear Harry and Guy, I assume you will be in South Korea at the end of February? Jennifer
-----Original Message----- From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:20 PM To: Jennifer Evans Cc: Yana Lambert; Guy Pujolle; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; Klaus Brunnstein; Harry Perros; Eduard Dundler Subject: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Dear Jennifer:
Below please find a strawman proposal for the Journal.
We will start with a bimonthly-published Journal, which will carry full versions of the best papers presented in the TC6 sponsored conferences. Assuming about 10 papers per issue, we believe that we will have an oversupply of good papers.
In the second year of its operation, we will start accepting papers from the open literature that will permit us to build it up to a monthly publication. The final goal is to alternate issues, one with papers from TC6 conferences, and one from the open call.
Approximately 15 good quality IFIP TC 6 conferences take place every year. The total number of submitted papers is about 2000. The number of presented papers in a conference that will be invited for publication in the new Journal will be proportional to the number of submitted papers to the conference. In this way, more papers from prestigious conferences, such as the Networking 200x series, which typically attracts between 500 to 600 submissions, will be published in the Journal than from a lesser conference,which typically does not attract many papers. Assuming that we accept 1 paper for every 33 submitted papers, we will have about 60 papers per year. (These ratios can be changed depending on our discussions).
The acceptance procedure will be as follows. Once the selection of the papers has been concluded, we will invite a number of authors to submit full papers. The papers will be sent to referees along with the original reviews done for the conference. The refereeing process should take at most 6 months.
Papers from open call will follow the normal reviewing process.
Guy and I will be the Editors-in-Chief and we will build up a prestigious editorial board. We hope that Kluver will be able to help us with the administration side of the Journal, as we do not have resources to higher our own secretary.
The provisional title of the network is: The JOURNAL of NETWORKING. We belive that this exact title has not been used yet. If this title is not appropriate due to its proximity to the IEEE/ACM Transactions of Networking (ToN), maybe we can call it the ANNALS OF NETWORKING. Of course, we will be happy to entertain any other thoughst that you may have.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Harry and Guy
On Dec 20, 2004, at 7:13 AM, Harry Perros wrote:
Dear Jennifer
We are glad that you liked our idea. Guy and I are certainly very excited and positive about this new Journal. Our original idea is to include all TC6 meetings, if this
is possible.
As a preamble to our discussions, Guy and I will circlulate after Christmas a strawman proposal, where we will outline the structure of the proposed Journal.
Happy Christmas.
Harry
Harry Perros Alumni Distinguished Graduate Professor Computer Science Department NC State University Raleigh, NC 27596-7534 tel: 1-919-515-2041
On Dec 15, 2004, at 1:38 PM, Yana Lambert wrote:
Dear Harry and Guy,
This proposal sounds interesting. Would the material include all TC6
meetings, including those published in LNCS and elsewhere, or only those published in the IFIP main series? Let's discuss in January in
light of our assignation of an ISSN to the IFIP series.
Thank you for coming to me with this opportunity.
Best regards,
Jennifer Evans Publishing Director Springer Science + Business Media, Inc. 101 Philip Drive Norwell MA 02061 Tel: +1-(781) 681-0625 Fax: +1-(781)-871-7507 Email: Jennifer.evans@springer-sbm.com
-----Original Message----- From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:50 AM To: Harry Perros; Yana Lambert; Guy Pujolle Subject: A proposal for a new Journal
Dear Yana
We are writing to you to discuss the feasibility of launching a new Journal in the area of networking. This proposal was discussed at the
recent TC 6 business meeting at Bankock and it was well received.
The Journal will supplement the TC 6 conference proceedings published
by Kluver or Springer-Verlag.
The idea is that we will invite the authors of the best papers in each of the major TC6 conferences to submit a longer version of their
paper to the Journal. The papers submitted to the Journal will not require a lengthy review since they will have already been reviewed for the conference.
In addition, we will accept papers submitted directly to the Journal from an open call.
The orientation of the Journal will be such that it will cover all the activities of the TC6 Working Groups. Publishing a paper in a Journal is important to University Professors, and we think that this will a) help attract more papers to the conferences, and b) we will have a good supply of excellent papers.
As for the copyrighhts and profits.. I will leave it to you and IFIP to negotiate this.
Let us know if this proposal is interesting so we can fine-tune it.
Guy Pujolle, Chairmanof WG 6.2 Harry Perros, Chairman of WG 6.10
_____________________________________ Guy Pujolle Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr Université Pierre et Marie Curie 8 rue du Capitaine Scott, 75015 Paris, France Assistante: Laetitia Jacquey, Laetitia.jacquey@lip6.fr tel: +33 1 44 27 87 74 fax +33 1 44 27 87 83 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Otto Spaniol" <spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> To: <ifip-tc6@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: [ifip-tc6] News from IFIP council
Dear all,
I just received word that Springer has agreed to a trial with IFIP publications. The description of the program is described in the attachment. It even works!
I found registration a bit awkward for problems that I do not understand. But after finally being registered, one has, at this point, access to some twenty-three IFIP conference proceedings. I have successfully downloaded a pdf version of one of our papers.
I will append the text of the announcement at the end of this note. The trial will last for one year.
I have no idea how all of this happened. I am copying Otto; perhaps he can explain.
Yes, this was discussed and presented at the publication committee meeting at the occasion of the IFIP council from where I'm just returning. I got a printed version of the advertising sheet but I attach it for everybody once more (see attachment). Nevertheless, things with Springer are far from being perfect (even if they are improving slightly).
The way to IFIP DL was discussed in much detail. There are three steps planned:
1. An archive (to be maintained by IFIP itself as a collection of CD's or so; interestingly, Springer would be willing to do that; but IFIP secretariat believe that it can be done there practically without any cost - and of course with no particular service quality).
2. A basic digital library (renamed from the original wording "electronic repository" according to the suggestions made by TC6, particular thanks to Harry Rudin and to Peter Radford!). Interestingly enough, Springer is not at all interested in that. It was also unclear whether this basic digital library should also include some other material than the papers, e.g. conference announcements which would be deleted after the conference has happened. Nobody had the slightest idea about cost and how, when and where to make a bid for such a basic DL. Also copyright issues and linking to Springer (if somebody else operates the basic DL) were fully unsolved and unsolvable since of course Jennifer's mandate was only the mandate to stay negative if a critical issue comes up. So things ended once more without any concrete plan; IFIP is little more than a collection of low-qualified bureaucrats! But bureaucrats who cann at least appreciate the positive things of an excellent dinner - such a dinner was organised by our host Ramon Puigjaner who really did an absolutely great job!!
3. A "real" DL - which is of course even more in the nirwana than the basic DL.
On the more positive side: The "sleeping pill" Jennifer Evans has been upgraded so much in the Springer hierarchy that she cannot do any further harm. The real business will be done from now on by Amy Brais <amy.brais@spüringer.com>. Please contact Amy whenever you have a publication problem. I'm confident that she will do a much better job.
Finally (for Guy Pujolle and Harry Perros !!!): I tried to cut the Gordian knot concerning the "TC6 journal". Amy Brais told me that she waits desparately for a message from Guy and/or Harry. She said that she had send out such a inquiry but had never received an answer. What she would like to have are aims and scopes of the journal and maybe a concrete plan about how the journal might be installed. So this ball is now on our side (Springer is not guilty for themoment being). We have to plack the ball back. Guy and Harry: Please do it!
Best regards Otto
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Otto, Guy, Harry,
From Indian and Asian perspective, I believe it is a good idea to start a Journal of repute. I prefer the title Journal of Networking as opposed to Annals of Networking.
Besides, it may a good idea to revive the Networking Conference series; it can be re-launched as a Conference that circulates between Asia- Pacific and Europe in alternate years. The TOP FIVE papers can be a feed into the Journal as well. I volunteer for the re-launch. India is doing well and it no longer needs the type of support one used to expect from IFIP during the last decade. Let us give it a try. Earlier I did send a mail about Digital Library, but even I did not get a copy. I do not how exploder handles my mails. I hope all og you get to see this mail. Professor S V Raghavan Department of Computer Science and Engineering Indian Institute of Technology Madras Chennai 600036 INDIA Tel: 91 44 2257 4359 Fax: 91 44 2257 0563 Res: 91 44 2257 6359 Email: svr@cs.iitm.ernet.in Web: http://netlab.cs.iitm.ernet.in -----Original Message----- From: ifip-tc6-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE [mailto:ifip-tc6-bounces@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE] On Behalf Of Guy Pujolle Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:15 PM To: Otto Spaniol Cc: ifip-tc6@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: [ifip-tc6] News from IFIP council Otto, Sorry for the late answer. I did not look at more of my email for a week. May be some questions are discussed more in details in next mails. Concerning the IFIP Journal and the events, you will find in the following an exchange of emails that finished on a confcall. In this confcall it was asked us all the email files we have to eventually advertized the future Journal, to produce a large number of contacts and a lot of things so that Springer can think about the possibility or not to launch the Journal. The very pessimistic conclusion of this confcall was interpreted by Harry and I as a negative answer to our proposal. However, we prepared a new proposal that was stopped by the conflict between Otto and Harry. At that point we were thinking Harry and I to have a free journal and DL, etc. So may be the Springer message after the confcall was not correctly intrepreted by Harry and I but I am not sure about that. I will be reading next mails during the week-end. Best regards, Guy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com> To: "Harry Perros" <hp@csc.ncsu.edu> Cc: "Guy Pujolle" <Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr>; "IFIP Mailbox" <ifip@springer-sbm.com>; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; "Klaus Brunnstein" <brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>; "Eduard Dundler" <eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Let's make a start with a call between us anyway. OK? If so please send me you number, and I'll call you at 9:15 (bad snow!!). Hopefully Guy will read this mail by then and be able to join.
________________________________
From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/26/2005 11:16 AM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Guy Pujolle; IFIP Mailbox; r.johnson@bcs.org.uk; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hallo Jeniffer:
I am acually free this Friday 9 am. I don't know about Guy, though. He sometimes travels a lot. I he is to join us, it wil be from France.
Harry
On Jan 26, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Evans, Jennifer wrote:
Dear Harry,
I would love to come to Belize. Not sure I can though! When will you next both be together?
I can have a teleconference on this Friday at 9AM NYC time. Does this work for you?
Jennifer
From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/12/2005 9:06 PM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Lambert, Yana; Guy Pujolle; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hi Jennifer
As Guy said we will not be going to South Korea. Maybe we can setup a teleconference.. unless you feel like coming down to Belize !!
Harry
On Jan 12, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Guy Pujolle wrote:
I don't think so. From March 1 to 13, I will be with Harry and participating in a workshop in Belize on March 11 and 12. Best regards, Guy _______________________________________________ Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr - LIP6-CNRS - Université Paris 6 Assistante: Laetitia.Jacquey@lip6.fr, Tel: +33 1 44 27 87 74 - Fax: +33 1 44 27 87 83
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com> To: "Harry Perros" <hp@csc.ncsu.edu> Cc: "Lambert, Yana" <Yana.Lambert@springer-sbm.com>; "Guy Pujolle" <Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr>; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; "Klaus Brunnstein" <brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>; "Eduard Dundler" <eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Dear Harry and Guy, I assume you will be in South Korea at the end of February? Jennifer
-----Original Message----- From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:20 PM To: Jennifer Evans Cc: Yana Lambert; Guy Pujolle; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; Klaus Brunnstein; Harry Perros; Eduard Dundler Subject: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Dear Jennifer:
Below please find a strawman proposal for the Journal.
We will start with a bimonthly-published Journal, which will carry full versions of the best papers presented in the TC6 sponsored conferences. Assuming about 10 papers per issue, we believe that we will have an oversupply of good papers.
In the second year of its operation, we will start accepting papers from the open literature that will permit us to build it up to a monthly publication. The final goal is to alternate issues, one with papers from TC6 conferences, and one from the open call.
Approximately 15 good quality IFIP TC 6 conferences take place every year. The total number of submitted papers is about 2000. The number of presented papers in a conference that will be invited for publication in the new Journal will be proportional to the number of submitted papers to the conference. In this way, more papers from prestigious conferences, such as the Networking 200x series, which typically attracts between 500 to 600 submissions, will be published in the Journal than from a lesser conference,which typically does not attract many papers. Assuming that we accept 1 paper for every 33 submitted papers, we will have about 60 papers per year. (These ratios can be changed depending on our discussions).
The acceptance procedure will be as follows. Once the selection of the papers has been concluded, we will invite a number of authors to submit full papers. The papers will be sent to referees along with the original reviews done for the conference. The refereeing process should take at most 6 months.
Papers from open call will follow the normal reviewing process.
Guy and I will be the Editors-in-Chief and we will build up a prestigious editorial board. We hope that Kluver will be able to help us with the administration side of the Journal, as we do not have resources to higher our own secretary.
The provisional title of the network is: The JOURNAL of NETWORKING. We belive that this exact title has not been used yet. If this title is not appropriate due to its proximity to the IEEE/ACM Transactions of Networking (ToN), maybe we can call it the ANNALS OF NETWORKING. Of course, we will be happy to entertain any other thoughst that you may have.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Harry and Guy
On Dec 20, 2004, at 7:13 AM, Harry Perros wrote:
Dear Jennifer
We are glad that you liked our idea. Guy and I are certainly very excited and positive about this new Journal. Our original idea is to include all TC6 meetings, if this
is possible.
As a preamble to our discussions, Guy and I will circlulate after Christmas a strawman proposal, where we will outline the structure of the proposed Journal.
Happy Christmas.
Harry
Harry Perros Alumni Distinguished Graduate Professor Computer Science Department NC State University Raleigh, NC 27596-7534 tel: 1-919-515-2041
On Dec 15, 2004, at 1:38 PM, Yana Lambert wrote:
Dear Harry and Guy,
This proposal sounds interesting. Would the material include all TC6
meetings, including those published in LNCS and elsewhere, or only those published in the IFIP main series? Let's discuss in January in
light of our assignation of an ISSN to the IFIP series.
Thank you for coming to me with this opportunity.
Best regards,
Jennifer Evans Publishing Director Springer Science + Business Media, Inc. 101 Philip Drive Norwell MA 02061 Tel: +1-(781) 681-0625 Fax: +1-(781)-871-7507 Email: Jennifer.evans@springer-sbm.com
-----Original Message----- From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:50 AM To: Harry Perros; Yana Lambert; Guy Pujolle Subject: A proposal for a new Journal
Dear Yana
We are writing to you to discuss the feasibility of launching a new Journal in the area of networking. This proposal was discussed at the
recent TC 6 business meeting at Bankock and it was well received.
The Journal will supplement the TC 6 conference proceedings published
by Kluver or Springer-Verlag.
The idea is that we will invite the authors of the best papers in each of the major TC6 conferences to submit a longer version of their
paper to the Journal. The papers submitted to the Journal will not require a lengthy review since they will have already been reviewed for the conference.
In addition, we will accept papers submitted directly to the Journal from an open call.
The orientation of the Journal will be such that it will cover all the activities of the TC6 Working Groups. Publishing a paper in a Journal is important to University Professors, and we think that this will a) help attract more papers to the conferences, and b) we will have a good supply of excellent papers.
As for the copyrighhts and profits.. I will leave it to you and IFIP to negotiate this.
Let us know if this proposal is interesting so we can fine-tune it.
Guy Pujolle, Chairmanof WG 6.2 Harry Perros, Chairman of WG 6.10
_____________________________________ Guy Pujolle Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr Université Pierre et Marie Curie 8 rue du Capitaine Scott, 75015 Paris, France Assistante: Laetitia Jacquey, Laetitia.jacquey@lip6.fr tel: +33 1 44 27 87 74 fax +33 1 44 27 87 83 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Otto Spaniol" <spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> To: <ifip-tc6@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: [ifip-tc6] News from IFIP council
Dear all,
I just received word that Springer has agreed to a trial with IFIP publications. The description of the program is described in the attachment. It even works!
I found registration a bit awkward for problems that I do not understand. But after finally being registered, one has, at this point, access to some twenty-three IFIP conference proceedings. I have successfully downloaded a pdf version of one of our papers.
I will append the text of the announcement at the end of this note. The trial will last for one year.
I have no idea how all of this happened. I am copying Otto; perhaps he can explain.
Yes, this was discussed and presented at the publication committee meeting at the occasion of the IFIP council from where I'm just returning. I got a printed version of the advertising sheet but I attach it for everybody once more (see attachment). Nevertheless, things with Springer are far from being perfect (even if they are improving slightly).
The way to IFIP DL was discussed in much detail. There are three steps planned:
1. An archive (to be maintained by IFIP itself as a collection of CD's or so; interestingly, Springer would be willing to do that; but IFIP secretariat believe that it can be done there practically without any cost - and of course with no particular service quality).
2. A basic digital library (renamed from the original wording "electronic repository" according to the suggestions made by TC6, particular thanks to Harry Rudin and to Peter Radford!). Interestingly enough, Springer is not at all interested in that. It was also unclear whether this basic digital library should also include some other material than the papers, e.g. conference announcements which would be deleted after the conference has happened. Nobody had the slightest idea about cost and how, when and where to make a bid for such a basic DL. Also copyright issues and linking to Springer (if somebody else operates the basic DL) were fully unsolved and unsolvable since of course Jennifer's mandate was only the mandate to stay negative if a critical issue comes up. So things ended once more without any concrete plan; IFIP is little more than a collection of low-qualified bureaucrats! But bureaucrats who cann at least appreciate the positive things of an excellent dinner - such a dinner was organised by our host Ramon Puigjaner who really did an absolutely great job!!
3. A "real" DL - which is of course even more in the nirwana than the basic DL.
On the more positive side: The "sleeping pill" Jennifer Evans has been upgraded so much in the Springer hierarchy that she cannot do any further harm. The real business will be done from now on by Amy Brais <amy.brais@spüringer.com>. Please contact Amy whenever you have a publication problem. I'm confident that she will do a much better job.
Finally (for Guy Pujolle and Harry Perros !!!): I tried to cut the Gordian knot concerning the "TC6 journal". Amy Brais told me that she waits desparately for a message from Guy and/or Harry. She said that she had send out such a inquiry but had never received an answer. What she would like to have are aims and scopes of the journal and maybe a concrete plan about how the journal might be installed. So this ball is now on our side (Springer is not guilty for themoment being). We have to plack the ball back. Guy and Harry: Please do it!
Best regards Otto
_______________________________________________ ifip-tc6 mailing list ifip-tc6@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/ifip-tc6
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Dear all, Raghavan wrote:
Earlier I did send a mail about Digital Library, but even I did not get a copy. I do not how exploder handles my mails. I hope all og you get to see this mail.
The exploder accepts emails from addresses which are in the membership list (if they don't have too many bytes; in such a case we have to decide about them manually). Please find the actual delegates list as attachment. Messages from other addresses have to be checked manually and sometimes they are rejected either by me or by our system administrator. Now it happens that some list members use different addresses. On example: Harry Perros is in the list with the address hp@csc.ncsu.edu However he has sent recently a message using the address hp@ncsu.edu Evidently this email was not accepted at first. However, this was not a bad will from myself (as Harry might assume) but the usage of the different address. I would appreciate it very much if delegates could use *only* the address which is in the delegates list (and inform me accordingly if there is a change). Best regards Otto
Otto I did not assume you were the culprit. I did realize what the problem was and I asked Guy P. to retransmit my message. I am currently at Victoria University in Wellington, NZ, and the IT paranoic people have restricted my internet access to browser usage only. As a result I use webmail which posts my email address as hp@ncsu.edu. Harry P.
Dear all,
Raghavan wrote:
Earlier I did send a mail about Digital Library, but even I did not get a copy. I do not how exploder handles my mails. I hope all og you get to see this mail.
The exploder accepts emails from addresses which are in the membership list (if they don't have too many bytes; in such a case we have to decide about them manually). Please find the actual delegates list as attachment. Messages from other addresses have to be checked manually and sometimes they are rejected either by me or by our system administrator.
Now it happens that some list members use different addresses. On example: Harry Perros is in the list with the address hp@csc.ncsu.edu However he has sent recently a message using the address hp@ncsu.edu Evidently this email was not accepted at first. However, this was not a bad will from myself (as Harry might assume) but the usage of the different address. I would appreciate it very much if delegates could use *only* the address which is in the delegates list (and inform me accordingly if there is a change).
Best regards Otto _______________________________________________ ifip-tc6 mailing list ifip-tc6@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/ifip-tc6
Dear All I was also away from email for a week or so, touring the beautifull North Island of New Zealand. I was suprised to read in Otto's first message that Amy was looking for Guy P. and me. We (Guy P. and I) did have a tele-conference with Jennifer, and she liked our basic idea, i.e. that of accepting the 5 best papers from each conference plus papers submitted inependently of conferences. She insisted that we should expand this model to non-IFIP conferences, and she encourged us to provide some more information plus some 500 hundred emails of networking people who they could poll to see if there was interest in such a Journal. The idea was to publish a regular Journal. She was hoping that we would give her this information prior to an IFIP meeting. We never submitted the stuff Jennifer requested, and I personally never received any messages from Amy. The project died because I did not feel like pursuing it further. I was being battered by Otto about a strawman proposal for a new optical networking conference, which put me off doing anything for IFIP and its glory (you all know the rest of the story). I was also a little burnt out from too much work. So, I went sailing to the Chesapeake Bay !! (highly recommended for releasing stress ..not to mention their crab cakes!!) Subsequently, I met Guy P. in Paris and he mentioned to me of the effort and discussions you all had to go for an open Journal. I recall that Guy P. and I re-worked our original proposal. I have no idea what happened to this proposal, and judging from all the emails I saw, it seems that there is a certain degree of confusion as to what TC6 is trying to do. Personally, for whatever it is worth,I prefer an open electronic Journal. We all agree that in the next 5-10 years Journals will be mostly electronic. I like the idea of TC6 being a pioneer. Our (Guy P. and me) proposal of accepting the best papers from each IFIP (and later on non-IFIP) conference seems like a good idea. There is no problem with IP rights since we will demand full papers with 30% content more than the conference papers. The only problem is that who will pay the bill. We will need someone to setup and maintain the database, server access, and a part-time secretary. Harry that > Otto,
Sorry for the late answer. I did not look at more of my email for a week. May be some questions are discussed more in details in next mails. Concerning the IFIP Journal and the events, you will find in the following an exchange of emails that finished on a confcall. In this confcall it was asked us all the email files we have to eventually advertized the future Journal, to produce a large number of contacts and a lot of things so that Springer can think about the possibility or not to launch the Journal. The very pessimistic conclusion of this confcall was interpreted by Harry and I as a negative answer to our proposal. However, we prepared a new proposal that was stopped by the conflict between Otto and Harry. At that point we were thinking Harry and I to have a free journal and DL, etc. So may be the Springer message after the confcall was not correctly intrepreted by Harry and I but I am not sure about that. I will be reading next mails during the week-end. Best regards, Guy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com> To: "Harry Perros" <hp@csc.ncsu.edu> Cc: "Guy Pujolle" <Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr>; "IFIP Mailbox" <ifip@springer-sbm.com>; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; "Klaus Brunnstein" <brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>; "Eduard Dundler" <eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Let's make a start with a call between us anyway. OK? If so please send me you number, and I'll call you at 9:15 (bad snow!!). Hopefully Guy will read this mail by then and be able to join.
________________________________
From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/26/2005 11:16 AM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Guy Pujolle; IFIP Mailbox; r.johnson@bcs.org.uk; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hallo Jeniffer:
I am acually free this Friday 9 am. I don't know about Guy, though. He sometimes travels a lot. I he is to join us, it wil be from France.
Harry
On Jan 26, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Evans, Jennifer wrote:
Dear Harry,
I would love to come to Belize. Not sure I can though! When will you next both be together?
I can have a teleconference on this Friday at 9AM NYC time. Does this work for you?
Jennifer
From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/12/2005 9:06 PM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Lambert, Yana; Guy Pujolle; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hi Jennifer
As Guy said we will not be going to South Korea. Maybe we can setup a teleconference.. unless you feel like coming down to Belize !!
Harry
On Jan 12, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Guy Pujolle wrote:
I don't think so. From March 1 to 13, I will be with Harry and participating in a workshop in Belize on March 11 and 12. Best regards, Guy _______________________________________________ Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr - LIP6-CNRS - Université Paris 6 Assistante: Laetitia.Jacquey@lip6.fr, Tel: +33 1 44 27 87 74 - Fax: +33 1 44 27 87 83
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com> To: "Harry Perros" <hp@csc.ncsu.edu> Cc: "Lambert, Yana" <Yana.Lambert@springer-sbm.com>; "Guy Pujolle" <Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr>; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; "Klaus Brunnstein" <brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>; "Eduard Dundler" <eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Dear Harry and Guy, I assume you will be in South Korea at the end of February? Jennifer
-----Original Message----- From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:20 PM To: Jennifer Evans Cc: Yana Lambert; Guy Pujolle; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; Klaus Brunnstein; Harry Perros; Eduard Dundler Subject: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Dear Jennifer:
Below please find a strawman proposal for the Journal.
We will start with a bimonthly-published Journal, which will carry full versions of the best papers presented in the TC6 sponsored conferences. Assuming about 10 papers per issue, we believe that we will have an oversupply of good papers.
In the second year of its operation, we will start accepting papers from the open literature that will permit us to build it up to a monthly publication. The final goal is to alternate issues, one with papers from TC6 conferences, and one from the open call.
Approximately 15 good quality IFIP TC 6 conferences take place every year. The total number of submitted papers is about 2000. The number of presented papers in a conference that will be invited for publication in the new Journal will be proportional to the number of submitted papers to the conference. In this way, more papers from prestigious conferences, such as the Networking 200x series, which typically attracts between 500 to 600 submissions, will be published in the Journal than from a lesser conference,which typically does not attract many papers. Assuming that we accept 1 paper for every 33 submitted papers, we will have about 60 papers per year. (These ratios can be changed depending on our discussions).
The acceptance procedure will be as follows. Once the selection of the papers has been concluded, we will invite a number of authors to submit full papers. The papers will be sent to referees along with the original reviews done for the conference. The refereeing process should take at most 6 months.
Papers from open call will follow the normal reviewing process.
Guy and I will be the Editors-in-Chief and we will build up a prestigious editorial board. We hope that Kluver will be able to help us with the administration side of the Journal, as we do not have resources to higher our own secretary.
The provisional title of the network is: The JOURNAL of NETWORKING. We belive that this exact title has not been used yet. If this title is not appropriate due to its proximity to the IEEE/ACM Transactions of Networking (ToN), maybe we can call it the ANNALS OF NETWORKING. Of course, we will be happy to entertain any other thoughst that you may have.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Harry and Guy
On Dec 20, 2004, at 7:13 AM, Harry Perros wrote:
Dear Jennifer
We are glad that you liked our idea. Guy and I are certainly very excited and positive about this new Journal. Our original idea is to include all TC6 meetings, if this
is possible.
As a preamble to our discussions, Guy and I will circlulate after Christmas a strawman proposal, where we will outline the structure of the proposed Journal.
Happy Christmas.
Harry
Harry Perros Alumni Distinguished Graduate Professor Computer Science Department NC State University Raleigh, NC 27596-7534 tel: 1-919-515-2041
On Dec 15, 2004, at 1:38 PM, Yana Lambert wrote:
> Dear Harry and Guy, > > This proposal sounds interesting. Would the material include all > TC6
> meetings, including those published in LNCS and elsewhere, or only > those published in the IFIP main series? Let's discuss in January > in
> light of > our assignation of an ISSN to the IFIP series. > > Thank you for coming to me with this opportunity. > > Best regards, > > Jennifer Evans > Publishing Director > Springer Science + Business Media, Inc. > 101 Philip Drive > Norwell MA 02061 > Tel: +1-(781) 681-0625 > Fax: +1-(781)-871-7507 > Email: Jennifer.evans@springer-sbm.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:50 AM > To: Harry Perros; Yana Lambert; Guy Pujolle > Subject: A proposal for a new Journal > > > Dear Yana > > We are writing to you to discuss the feasibility of launching a new > Journal in the area of networking. This proposal was discussed at > the
> recent TC 6 business meeting at Bankock > and it was well received. > > The Journal will supplement the TC 6 conference proceedings > published
> by Kluver or Springer-Verlag. > > The idea is that we will invite the authors of the best papers in > each of the major TC6 conferences to submit a longer version of > their
> paper to the Journal. The papers submitted to > the Journal will not require a lengthy review since they will have > already been reviewed for > the conference. > > In addition, we will accept papers submitted directly to the Journal > from an open call. > > The orientation of the Journal will be such that it will cover all > the activities of the TC6 Working Groups. Publishing a paper in a > Journal is important to > University Professors, and we think that this will a) help attract > more > papers > to the conferences, and b) we will have a good supply of excellent > papers. > > As for the copyrighhts and profits.. I will leave it to you and IFIP > to > negotiate > this. > > Let us know if this proposal is interesting so we can fine-tune it. > > Guy Pujolle, Chairmanof WG 6.2 > Harry Perros, Chairman of WG 6.10 >
_____________________________________ Guy Pujolle Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr Université Pierre et Marie Curie 8 rue du Capitaine Scott, 75015 Paris, France Assistante: Laetitia Jacquey, Laetitia.jacquey@lip6.fr tel: +33 1 44 27 87 74 fax +33 1 44 27 87 83
----- Original Message ----- From: "Otto Spaniol" <spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> To: <ifip-tc6@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: [ifip-tc6] News from IFIP council
Dear all,
I just received word that Springer has agreed to a trial with IFIP publications. The description of the program is described in the attachment. It even works!
I found registration a bit awkward for problems that I do not understand. But after finally being registered, one has, at this point, access to some twenty-three IFIP conference proceedings. I have successfully downloaded a pdf version of one of our papers.
I will append the text of the announcement at the end of this note. The trial will last for one year.
I have no idea how all of this happened. I am copying Otto; perhaps he can explain.
Yes, this was discussed and presented at the publication committee meeting at the occasion of the IFIP council from where I'm just returning. I got a printed version of the advertising sheet but I attach it for everybody once more (see attachment). Nevertheless, things with Springer are far from being perfect (even if they are improving slightly).
The way to IFIP DL was discussed in much detail. There are three steps planned:
1. An archive (to be maintained by IFIP itself as a collection of CD's or so; interestingly, Springer would be willing to do that; but IFIP secretariat believe that it can be done there practically without any cost - and of course with no particular service quality).
2. A basic digital library (renamed from the original wording "electronic repository" according to the suggestions made by TC6, particular thanks to Harry Rudin and to Peter Radford!). Interestingly enough, Springer is not at all interested in that. It was also unclear whether this basic digital library should also include some other material than the papers, e.g. conference announcements which would be deleted after the conference has happened. Nobody had the slightest idea about cost and how, when and where to make a bid for such a basic DL. Also copyright issues and linking to Springer (if somebody else operates the basic DL) were fully unsolved and unsolvable since of course Jennifer's mandate was only the mandate to stay negative if a critical issue comes up. So things ended once more without any concrete plan; IFIP is little more than a collection of low-qualified bureaucrats! But bureaucrats who cann at least appreciate the positive things of an excellent dinner - such a dinner was organised by our host Ramon Puigjaner who really did an absolutely great job!!
3. A "real" DL - which is of course even more in the nirwana than the basic DL.
On the more positive side: The "sleeping pill" Jennifer Evans has been upgraded so much in the Springer hierarchy that she cannot do any further harm. The real business will be done from now on by Amy Brais <amy.brais@spüringer.com>. Please contact Amy whenever you have a publication problem. I'm confident that she will do a much better job.
Finally (for Guy Pujolle and Harry Perros !!!): I tried to cut the Gordian knot concerning the "TC6 journal". Amy Brais told me that she waits desparately for a message from Guy and/or Harry. She said that she had send out such a inquiry but had never received an answer. What she would like to have are aims and scopes of the journal and maybe a concrete plan about how the journal might be installed. So this ball is now on our side (Springer is not guilty for themoment being). We have to plack the ball back. Guy and Harry: Please do it!
Best regards Otto
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----- Original Message ----- From: <hp@ncsu.edu> To: "Guy Pujolle" <Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr> Cc: "Otto Spaniol" <spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de>; <ifip-tc6@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [ifip-tc6] News from IFIP council
Dear All
I was also away from email for a week or so, touring the beautifull North Island of New Zealand.
I was suprised to read in Otto's first message that Amy was looking for Guy P. and me. We (Guy P. and I) did have a tele-conference with Jennifer, and she liked our basic idea, i.e. that of accepting the 5 best papers from each conference plus papers submitted inependently of conferences. She insisted that we should expand this model to non-IFIP conferences, and she encourged us to provide some more information plus some 500 hundred emails of networking people who they could poll to see if there was interest in such a Journal. The idea was to publish a regular Journal. She was hoping that we would give her this information prior to an IFIP meeting. We never submitted the stuff Jennifer requested, and I personally never received any messages from Amy. The project died because I did not feel like pursuing it further. I was being battered by Otto about a strawman proposal for a new optical networking conference, which put me off doing anything for IFIP and its glory (you all know the rest of the story). I was also a little burnt out from too much work. So, I went sailing to the Chesapeake Bay !! (highly recommended for releasing stress ..not to mention their crab cakes!!)
Subsequently, I met Guy P. in Paris and he mentioned to me of the effort and discussions you all had to go for an open Journal. I recall that Guy P. and I re-worked our original proposal. I have no idea what happened to this proposal, and judging from all the emails I saw, it seems that there is a certain degree of confusion as to what TC6 is trying to do.
Personally, for whatever it is worth,I prefer an open electronic Journal. We all agree that in the next 5-10 years Journals will be mostly electronic. I like the idea of TC6 being a pioneer. Our (Guy P. and me) proposal of accepting the best papers from each IFIP (and later on non-IFIP) conference seems like a good idea. There is no problem with IP rights since we will demand full papers with 30% content more than the conference papers. The only problem is that who will pay the bill. We will need someone to setup and maintain the database, server access, and a part-time secretary.
Harry
that > Otto,
Sorry for the late answer. I did not look at more of my email for a week. May be some questions are discussed more in details in next mails. Concerning the IFIP Journal and the events, you will find in the following an exchange of emails that finished on a confcall. In this confcall it was asked us all the email files we have to eventually advertized the future Journal, to produce a large number of contacts and a lot of things so that Springer can think about the possibility or not to launch the Journal. The very pessimistic conclusion of this confcall was interpreted by Harry and I as a negative answer to our proposal. However, we prepared a new proposal that was stopped by the conflict between Otto and Harry. At that point we were thinking Harry and I to have a free journal and DL, etc. So may be the Springer message after the confcall was not correctly intrepreted by Harry and I but I am not sure about that. I will be reading next mails during the week-end. Best regards, Guy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com> To: "Harry Perros" <hp@csc.ncsu.edu> Cc: "Guy Pujolle" <Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr>; "IFIP Mailbox" <ifip@springer-sbm.com>; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; "Klaus Brunnstein" <brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>; "Eduard Dundler" <eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Let's make a start with a call between us anyway. OK? If so please send me you number, and I'll call you at 9:15 (bad snow!!). Hopefully Guy will read this mail by then and be able to join.
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From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/26/2005 11:16 AM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Guy Pujolle; IFIP Mailbox; r.johnson@bcs.org.uk; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hallo Jeniffer:
I am acually free this Friday 9 am. I don't know about Guy, though. He sometimes travels a lot. I he is to join us, it wil be from France.
Harry
On Jan 26, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Evans, Jennifer wrote:
Dear Harry,
I would love to come to Belize. Not sure I can though! When will you next both be together?
I can have a teleconference on this Friday at 9AM NYC time. Does this work for you?
Jennifer
From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wed 1/12/2005 9:06 PM To: Evans, Jennifer Cc: Lambert, Yana; Guy Pujolle; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; Klaus Brunnstein; Eduard Dundler Subject: Re: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Hi Jennifer
As Guy said we will not be going to South Korea. Maybe we can setup a teleconference.. unless you feel like coming down to Belize !!
Harry
On Jan 12, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Guy Pujolle wrote:
I don't think so. From March 1 to 13, I will be with Harry and participating in a workshop in Belize on March 11 and 12. Best regards, Guy _______________________________________________ Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr - LIP6-CNRS - Université Paris 6 Assistante: Laetitia.Jacquey@lip6.fr, Tel: +33 1 44 27 87 74 - Fax: +33 1 44 27 87 83
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evans, Jennifer" <Jennifer.Evans@springer-sbm.com> To: "Harry Perros" <hp@csc.ncsu.edu> Cc: "Lambert, Yana" <Yana.Lambert@springer-sbm.com>; "Guy Pujolle" <Guy.Pujolle@lip6.fr>; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; "Klaus Brunnstein" <brunnstein@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>; "Eduard Dundler" <eduard.dundler@ifip.or.at> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: RE: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Dear Harry and Guy, I assume you will be in South Korea at the end of February? Jennifer
-----Original Message----- From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:20 PM To: Jennifer Evans Cc: Yana Lambert; Guy Pujolle; <r.johnson@bcs.org.uk>; Klaus Brunnstein; Harry Perros; Eduard Dundler Subject: A strawman proposal for a new Journal
Dear Jennifer:
Below please find a strawman proposal for the Journal.
We will start with a bimonthly-published Journal, which will carry full versions of the best papers presented in the TC6 sponsored conferences. Assuming about 10 papers per issue, we believe that we will have an oversupply of good papers.
In the second year of its operation, we will start accepting papers from the open literature that will permit us to build it up to a monthly publication. The final goal is to alternate issues, one with papers from TC6 conferences, and one from the open call.
Approximately 15 good quality IFIP TC 6 conferences take place every year. The total number of submitted papers is about 2000. The number of presented papers in a conference that will be invited for publication in the new Journal will be proportional to the number of submitted papers to the conference. In this way, more papers from prestigious conferences, such as the Networking 200x series, which typically attracts between 500 to 600 submissions, will be published in the Journal than from a lesser conference,which typically does not attract many papers. Assuming that we accept 1 paper for every 33 submitted papers, we will have about 60 papers per year. (These ratios can be changed depending on our discussions).
The acceptance procedure will be as follows. Once the selection of the papers has been concluded, we will invite a number of authors to submit full papers. The papers will be sent to referees along with the original reviews done for the conference. The refereeing process should take at most 6 months.
Papers from open call will follow the normal reviewing process.
Guy and I will be the Editors-in-Chief and we will build up a prestigious editorial board. We hope that Kluver will be able to help us with the administration side of the Journal, as we do not have resources to higher our own secretary.
The provisional title of the network is: The JOURNAL of NETWORKING. We belive that this exact title has not been used yet. If this title is not appropriate due to its proximity to the IEEE/ACM Transactions of Networking (ToN), maybe we can call it the ANNALS OF NETWORKING. Of course, we will be happy to entertain any other thoughst that you may have.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Harry and Guy
On Dec 20, 2004, at 7:13 AM, Harry Perros wrote:
> Dear Jennifer > > We are glad that you liked our idea. Guy and I are certainly very > excited and positive about this > new Journal. Our original idea is to include all TC6 meetings, if > this
> is possible. > > As a preamble to our discussions, Guy and I will circlulate after > Christmas a strawman proposal, where we > will outline the structure of the proposed Journal. > > Happy Christmas. > > Harry > > > Harry Perros Alumni Distinguished Graduate Professor Computer Science Department NC State University Raleigh, NC 27596-7534 tel: 1-919-515-2041 > On Dec 15, 2004, at 1:38 PM, Yana Lambert wrote: > >> Dear Harry and Guy, >> >> This proposal sounds interesting. Would the material include all >> TC6
>> meetings, including those published in LNCS and elsewhere, or only >> those published in the IFIP main series? Let's discuss in January >> in
>> light of >> our assignation of an ISSN to the IFIP series. >> >> Thank you for coming to me with this opportunity. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jennifer Evans >> Publishing Director >> Springer Science + Business Media, Inc. >> 101 Philip Drive >> Norwell MA 02061 >> Tel: +1-(781) 681-0625 >> Fax: +1-(781)-871-7507 >> Email: Jennifer.evans@springer-sbm.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Harry Perros [mailto:hp@csc.ncsu.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:50 AM >> To: Harry Perros; Yana Lambert; Guy Pujolle >> Subject: A proposal for a new Journal >> >> >> Dear Yana >> >> We are writing to you to discuss the feasibility of launching a new >> Journal in the area of networking. This proposal was discussed at >> the
>> recent TC 6 business meeting at Bankock >> and it was well received. >> >> The Journal will supplement the TC 6 conference proceedings >> published
>> by Kluver or Springer-Verlag. >> >> The idea is that we will invite the authors of the best papers in >> each of the major TC6 conferences to submit a longer version of >> their
>> paper to the Journal. The papers submitted to >> the Journal will not require a lengthy review since they will have >> already been reviewed for >> the conference. >> >> In addition, we will accept papers submitted directly to the Journal >> from an open call. >> >> The orientation of the Journal will be such that it will cover all >> the activities of the TC6 Working Groups. Publishing a paper in a >> Journal is important to >> University Professors, and we think that this will a) help attract >> more >> papers >> to the conferences, and b) we will have a good supply of excellent >> papers. >> >> As for the copyrighhts and profits.. I will leave it to you and IFIP >> to >> negotiate >> this. >> >> Let us know if this proposal is interesting so we can fine-tune it. >> >> Guy Pujolle, Chairmanof WG 6.2 >> Harry Perros, Chairman of WG 6.10 >>
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Otto Spaniol" <spaniol@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> To: <ifip-tc6@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: [ifip-tc6] News from IFIP council
Dear all,
I just received word that Springer has agreed to a trial with IFIP publications. The description of the program is described in the attachment. It even works!
I found registration a bit awkward for problems that I do not understand. But after finally being registered, one has, at this point, access to some twenty-three IFIP conference proceedings. I have successfully downloaded a pdf version of one of our papers.
I will append the text of the announcement at the end of this note. The trial will last for one year.
I have no idea how all of this happened. I am copying Otto; perhaps he can explain.
Yes, this was discussed and presented at the publication committee meeting at the occasion of the IFIP council from where I'm just returning. I got a printed version of the advertising sheet but I attach it for everybody once more (see attachment). Nevertheless, things with Springer are far from being perfect (even if they are improving slightly).
The way to IFIP DL was discussed in much detail. There are three steps planned:
1. An archive (to be maintained by IFIP itself as a collection of CD's or so; interestingly, Springer would be willing to do that; but IFIP secretariat believe that it can be done there practically without any cost - and of course with no particular service quality).
2. A basic digital library (renamed from the original wording "electronic repository" according to the suggestions made by TC6, particular thanks to Harry Rudin and to Peter Radford!). Interestingly enough, Springer is not at all interested in that. It was also unclear whether this basic digital library should also include some other material than the papers, e.g. conference announcements which would be deleted after the conference has happened. Nobody had the slightest idea about cost and how, when and where to make a bid for such a basic DL. Also copyright issues and linking to Springer (if somebody else operates the basic DL) were fully unsolved and unsolvable since of course Jennifer's mandate was only the mandate to stay negative if a critical issue comes up. So things ended once more without any concrete plan; IFIP is little more than a collection of low-qualified bureaucrats! But bureaucrats who cann at least appreciate the positive things of an excellent dinner - such a dinner was organised by our host Ramon Puigjaner who really did an absolutely great job!!
3. A "real" DL - which is of course even more in the nirwana than the basic DL.
On the more positive side: The "sleeping pill" Jennifer Evans has been upgraded so much in the Springer hierarchy that she cannot do any further harm. The real business will be done from now on by Amy Brais <amy.brais@spüringer.com>. Please contact Amy whenever you have a publication problem. I'm confident that she will do a much better job.
Finally (for Guy Pujolle and Harry Perros !!!): I tried to cut the Gordian knot concerning the "TC6 journal". Amy Brais told me that she waits desparately for a message from Guy and/or Harry. She said that she had send out such a inquiry but had never received an answer. What she would like to have are aims and scopes of the journal and maybe a concrete plan about how the journal might be installed. So this ball is now on our side (Springer is not guilty for themoment being). We have to plack the ball back. Guy and Harry: Please do it!
Best regards Otto
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Dear colleagues, I would very much like to see this happen. With the goal of ensuring its success, I have some worries. I think we should start in a very small way and be very, very careful regarding quality. In my editing work, I have seen a case where the paper voted "best" at a fine conference was unanimously rejected when considered for further publication by three expert reviewers. I have also experienced a case where the most frequently downloaded paper from a reputable journal was assessed as a joke or Halloween trick by the reviewers I asked to rereview the paper. These things should not happen --- but they do! An openly accessible electronic journal starting with, say, only two really fine, carefully rewritten and carefully reviewed papers per quarter, would be more manageable and help guarantee the success of our TC6 electronic journal, a pioneering effort as Harry (p.) writes --- but only if we act quickly. Expanding a high quality journal subsequently is not a problem. I do not think it would be hard to find a sponsor to host such a journal. With high hopes and best regards, Harry (R.) hp@ncsu.edu wrote:
Dear All
I was also away from email for a week or so, touring the beautifull North Island of New Zealand.
I was suprised to read in Otto's first message that Amy was looking for Guy P. and me. We (Guy P. and I) did have a tele-conference with Jennifer, and she liked our basic idea, i.e. that of accepting the 5 best papers from each conference plus papers submitted inependently of conferences. She insisted that we should expand this model to non-IFIP conferences, and she encourged us to provide some more information plus some 500 hundred emails of networking people who they could poll to see if there was interest in such a Journal. The idea was to publish a regular Journal. She was hoping that we would give her this information prior to an IFIP meeting. We never submitted the stuff Jennifer requested, and I personally never received any messages from Amy. The project died because I did not feel like pursuing it further. I was being battered by Otto about a strawman proposal for a new optical networking conference, which put me off doing anything for IFIP and its glory (you all know the rest of the story). I was also a little burnt out from too much work. So, I went sailing to the Chesapeake Bay !! (highly recommended for releasing stress ..not to mention their crab cakes!!)
Subsequently, I met Guy P. in Paris and he mentioned to me of the effort and discussions you all had to go for an open Journal. I recall that Guy P. and I re-worked our original proposal. I have no idea what happened to this proposal, and judging from all the emails I saw, it seems that there is a certain degree of confusion as to what TC6 is trying to do.
Personally, for whatever it is worth,I prefer an open electronic Journal. We all agree that in the next 5-10 years Journals will be mostly electronic. I like the idea of TC6 being a pioneer. Our (Guy P. and me) proposal of accepting the best papers from each IFIP (and later on non-IFIP) conference seems like a good idea. There is no problem with IP rights since we will demand full papers with 30% content more than the conference papers. The only problem is that who will pay the bill. We will need someone to setup and maintain the database, server access, and a part-time secretary.
Harry
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