IFIP TC6 (Communication Systems)

Meeting 2004/1

Minutes
Meeting Location: Athens, Greece.
Meeting Dates: 14th and 15th May, 2004.
TC6 Attendance: Theodore Apostolopoulos, Raouf Boutaba, Kiril Boyanov, Augusto Casaca, Lyman Chapin, André Danthine, Sarolta Dibuz, Dominique Gaiti, Adam Grzech, Günter Haring, Villy Baek Iversen, Arun Iyengar, Dipak Khakhar, Koos Koen, Andrej Kos (representing Janez Bester), Guy Leduc, Olli Martikainen, Lorne Mason, Ignas Niemegers, Giancarlo Prati, Ramon Puigjaner, Guy Pujolle, Peter Radford, Harry Rudin, Tadao Saito, Jan Slavik, Otto Spaniol, Ioannis Stavrakakis, Volker Tschammer.
TC6 Guests: Andreas Pitsillides (University of Cyprus), Jay Black (University of Waterloo, Canada)
Apologies: Finn Arne Aagesen, Ahmed Al-Naamany (visa problem!), Karol Fabian, Daoyuan Hu, Farouk Kamoun, José Neuman de Sousa, Harry Perros, Jose Piquer, Samir Tohmé, Jean Whiley, Vilas Wuwongse, Miquel Nicolau I Vila.
The Meeting Documents circulated at the meeting form part of the record of the meeting.
1. Approval of agenda
The proposed agenda was approved. 
2. Attendance and membership
The meeting was attended by 29 delegates and Working Group chairs plus two guests; 12 apologies were received.
TC6 welcomed the return to a TC6 meeting of Theodore Apostolopoulos and Olli Martikainen.
The situation of the various national delegates is as follows:
Andorra – OK
Argentina – replacement promised
Australia – no contact
Austria – OK
Belgium – OK
Brazil – OK
Bulgaria – OK
Canada – OK
Chile – OK - Jose Piquer recently nominated but travel clearly difficult
China – OK
Croatia – nomination requested
Cyprus – no nomination yet
Czech Republic – OK
Denmark – OK
Egypt – nomination requested
Finland – OK, Olli Martikainen has replaced the previous delegate
France – OK
Germany – OK
Greece – OK, Theodore Apostolopoulos has returned
Hungary – OK
India – Ragavan is willing but CSI is prevaricating
Ireland – nomination requested (GA delegate promising a nomination)
Israel – nomination requested
Italy – OK
Japan – OK
Korea – nomination requested (GA delegate promising a nomination)
Lithuania – nomination requested
Malaysia (status of Malaysia in IFIP is “corresponding member”); the nominated edelegate doesn’t attend meetings and doesn’t contribute to email discussions; new nomination has to be requested
Netherlands – OK
Norway – OK
Oman – OK
Poland – OK
Portugal – OK
Singapore – nomination requested (GA delegate promising a nomination)
Slovakia – replacement promised
Slovenia – OK
South Africa – OK
Spain – OK
Sweden – OK
Switzerland – OK
Syria – nomination requested
Thailand – OK
United Kingdom – OK
USA/ACM – OK
USA/IEEE CS – OK
Zimbabwe – OK.
3. Use of the E-mail Exploder
There was discussion of the criteria for the acceptance of e-mails for processing by the TC6 E-mail Exploder. The use of multiple different e-mail addresses by some people was confusing matters. Guy Leduc proposed that there should be a simple list of e-mail addresses for automatic acceptance. E-mails from other sources would have to wait for personal attention.
4. Formal Appointment of New TC6 Officers
Ramon Puigjaner was appointed as Vice Chairman of TC6.
Peter Radford was appointed as Secretary of TC6.
Harry Perros was appointed as WG 6.10 Chairman.
Volker Tschammer said that he was thinking of retiring in about 18 month’s time, at which time a replacement chairman would be required for WG 6.11.
Ramon Puigjaner said that he was getting very busy and there may need to be a new Chairman of WG 6.9.
5. Approval of meeting 2003/2 minutes
The minutes of the last TC6 meeting (2003/2) were approved.
6. Action Point List
Outstanding from earlier meetings were AP59/16 (WG 6.6 membership) and AP60/12 (Netcon’03 ERF).
Action Point (AP60/12):	Dominique Gaiti: to complete and send in the ERF for Netcon’03.
The WG 6.6 membership list is to be found on the WG 6.6 web page - AP discharged. It was, however, noted that the membership lists for WG 6.2 and WG 6.3 needed updating.
Action Point (AP62/01):	Guy Pujolle: to update the membership lists for WG 6.2.
Action Point (AP62/02):	Ioannis Stavrakakis: to update the membership list for WG 6.3.
Outstanding from the last TC6 meeting (in Muscat, Oman) were as follows (see the minutes of that meeting for further details):
AP61/1 - AP61/4 - see Section 2. Attendance and Membership
AP61/5 - see Section 12. ConfWork
AP61/6 - Guy Pujolle reported that the PfHSN conference series is in abeyance - AP cancelled
AP61/7 - Guy Pujolle reported that the Steering Committee for Networking is: Guy Pujolle, Augusto Casaca, Otto Spaniol, Harry Perros, Ioannis Stavrakakis and Guy Omidyar - AP discharged.
AP61/8 - Arun Iyengar that the Steering Committee for WITA is as listed - AP discharged.
Action Point (AP61/9):	Dominique Gaiti: to send the names of the Steering Committee for Netcon to Otto Spaniol.
Action Point (AP61/10):	Dominique Gaiti: to send the names of the Steering Committee for IWAN to Otto Spaniol.
Action Point (AP61/11):	Volker Tschammer: to send the names of the Steering Committee for I3E to Otto Spaniol.
Action Point (AP61/12):	Guy Omidyar: to send the names of the Steering Committee for MWCN to Otto Spaniol.
AP61/13 - See the WG 6.4 report in Section13 - AP discharged.
AP61/14 - FORTE numbering - AP discharged.
AP61/15 - QoS series publishing - AP discharged.
Action Point (AP62/03):	Guy Leduc: to check the royalties from Springer for QoS’03 and QoS’04.
AP61/16 - See Section 8. Networking - AP discharged.
Action Point (AP61/17):	Guy Pujolle: to continue to look for a host for the Workshop on Network Signalling.
AP61/18 - There is no longer a relationship with MATA - AP discharged.
AP61/19 - This conference was apparently held in Tashkent but no details had been received.
Action Point (AP62/04):	Guy Omidyar: to report on the Tashkent conference.
AP61/20 - Harry Perros has taken over as WG 6.10 chairman.
AP61/21 - The Workshop on Grid Computing is to be held in conjunction with WG 6.10 on 29th September to 3rd October in Antibes, France - AP discharged.
AP61/22 - The TC6 Event Statistics have been updated - AP discharged.
Action Point (AP62/05):	Otto Spaniol: to thank Herbert Leithold for his work.
Action Point (AP62/06):	Peter Radford, in conjunction with Augusto Casaca: to update the event statistics.
AP61/23 - The TC6 Chairmanship election has been completed - AP discharged.
AP61/24 - The TC6 Chairmanship election has been completed - AP discharged.
AP61/25 - See Section 17. Future TC6 Meetings - AP discharged.
7. Report from IFIP Council
Reports from Council were circulated.
The meeting confirmed the position adopted by the TC6 Chairman, with regard to TC6 reluctance to participate in WCC 2006.
There was a discussion of the idea of IFIP Schools but there was no resolution of the question of who should certify courses.
8. Networking
Ioannis Stavrakakis reported on Networking 2004. One point of note was the very large number of papers that arrived just before the closing deadline.
Jay Black made a presentation of the proposal to hold Network 2005 at the University of Waterloo in Canada. The presentation was well received but the was concern about clashes of date with the WWW conference in Japan. It was determined later that the conference would be held on 2nd to 6th May 2005 (with tutorials on 2nd May and workshops on 6th May). It is proposed to hold the 2005/1 TC 6 Meeting on 6th and 7th May 2005.
It is proposed to hold Networking 2006 in Coimbra, Portugal.
Offers for Networking 2007 have come from Singapore and Atlanta.
9. IT and TC6 in South East Europe
Presentations were made by Theodore Apostolopoulos and Ioannis Stavrakakis (Greece); Andreas Pitsillides (Cyprus), Kiril Boyanov (Bulgaria); Andrej Kos (Slovenia) Sarolta Dibuz (Hungary) and Günter Haring (Austria).
10. Publications
The new IFIP publisher had not been chosen by the time of the meeting.
11. Relations with IEEE and other organisations
There were discussions of digital libraries in relation to the IEEE and the European Commission. Augusto Casaca and André Danthine suggested that there may be funding available from IFIP and/or UNESCO. Augusto Casaca also commented that a digital library would be much cheaper if it were not retrospective.
A task force was proposed to look into this. Volunteers included André Danthine, Dominique Gaiti, Günter Haring, Arun Iyengar, Guy Leduc, Dipak Khakhar, Raouf Boutaba, and Guy Pujolle
Action Point (AP62/07):	The digital library task force: to decide who should act as chairman of the task force and to start work.
12. ConfWork
André Danthine reported on the status of the development of the ConfWork Conference Web tool.
The first two phases of development (the Web Site and the Registration facilities) had been completed. The final stage would be integration with ConfMan for the management of submitted papers but there were some technical problems and some problems with authorisation for this.
André was looking for a beta test conference for the system. All that would be required would be: to fill in the Event Request Form; decide on the conference name; and contact Herbert Leithold to obtain a url and password to access the beta test version. There were, however, no immediate volunteers.
Action Point (AP62/08):	All: to consider whether they know of conferences that could be used as beta tests of ConfWork.
André also asked for levels of interest in ConfWork with and without the interface to ConfMan.
Action Point (AP62/09):	All: to inform André Danthine whether they think an interface to ConfMan would be beneficial.
13. Working Group Activities (WG 6.1 - WG 6.11)
WG 6.1
The WG 6.1 report was presented by Guy Leduc.
The combination of DAIS and FMOODS (which had become weak) was successful as they reinforced each other
TESTCOM has become less successful and needs watching but is not yet critical.
WG 6.2
The WG 6.2 report was presented by Guy Pujolle.
WG 6.3
The WG 6.3 report was presented by Ioannis Stavrakakis.
The WG 6.3 workshop would now be held in September rather than in the Spring.
WG 6.4
The WG 6.4 report was presented by Arun Iyengar.
WG 6.4 is collaborating with TC12 in the area of the Semantic Web and is trying to get involved in the International Conference on Service Oriented Computing.
WG 6.6
The WG 6.6 report was presented by Raouf Boutaba.
For IM2005, the policy has been to seek co-location with another conference but this is only tentative for IM2007. There are problems in the area of publications and copyright with IEEE and the IEEE Communications Society. Dipak Khakhar commented that this needed to be raised with the IFIP Publications Committee.
Action Point (AP62/11):	Raouf Boutaba and Dipak Khakhar to consider raising publication problems with the IFIP Publications Committee.
WG 6.7
The WG 6.7 report was presented by Dominique Gaiti.
WG 6.8
In the absence of Guy Omidyar, the WG 6.8 report was presented by Jan Slavik.
Concern was expressed about ICOCN which should really have been a WG 6.10 conference.
Action Point (AP62/12):	Otto Spaniol to contact Guy Omidyar and ask what is happening.
WG 6.9
The WG 6.9 report was presented by Ramon Puigjaner.
Lack of local support is seen to be a problem.
André Danthine recommended that WG 6.9 should concentrate its efforts on larger countries.
Lyman Chapin wondered whether piggy-backing on CLEI was a good thing.
Action Point (AP62/13):	Ramon Puigjaner to look for a successor as Working Group Chairman.
WG 6.10
In the absence of Harry Perros, the WG 6.10 report was presented by Giancarlo Prati.
Harry Perros has proposed revised Aims and Scope for WG 6.10.
Action Point (AP62/14):	All: to consider the Aims and Scope for WG 6.10.
WG 6.11
The WG 6.11 report was presented by Volker Tschammer.
WG 6.11 has cancelled sponsorship of the Electronic Publishing conferences. Coordination of events is needed with other groups such as TC8. The WG is acting as a forum for joint proposals to bodies such as the European Union.
14. Other TC6 Activities
There was discussion of the proposal by Radu Popescu-Zeletin to hold a conference on Autonomic Computing. Volker Tschammer explained that this was an attempt to get involved in the Framework 6 programme. As a result, it would be difficult to change the proposed dates significantly, although it would be nice if it could be a week or so earlier to avoid a clash of dates with MMNS It was decided that WG 6.6 was the most appropriate working group to look after the conference.
Action Point (AP62/15):	Volker Tschammer to contact Radu Popescu-Zeletin and see if dates can be changed.
Otto Spaniol has been involved in the “IT in Sport” activities but there is now no IFIP Secretarial Support for this. Dipak Khakhar commented that the new head of the secretariat has a local administrative focus only.
Günter Haring raised the question of Sensor networks; these were agree to be within the scope of WG 6.8.
15. TC6 Finance
Dipak Khakar pointed out that new IFIP regulations were described on page 15.4 of the meeting documents.
For 2004, it should be noted that Networking 2004 did not take up the travel grant that were budgeted.
The TC6 budget for 2005 needs to be submitted by the end of June 2004.
Action Point (AP62/16):	Working Group Chairmen: to advise Otto Spaniol of any budget requirements.
Action Point (AP62/17):	Otto Spaniol: to prepare and submit a budget for 2005 based on that for 2004.
16. TC Conference Calendar
This was discussed.
Action Point (AP62/18):	Otto Spaniol: to prepare and distribute the updated calendar, including “standard” events for 2006.
Action Point (AP62/19):	Adam Grzech: to provide further details of the Internet Technology and Applications conference and the possible TC meeting in Autumn 2005.
Action Point (AP62/20):	Working Group Chairmen: to check the revised calendar and advise Otto Spaniol of any updates.
17. Future TC6 Meetings
The second TC6 meeting in 2004 will be held on 21st and 22nd November 2004; in Bangkok, Thailand before the Intellcom’04 conference.
The first TC6 meeting in 2005 will be held on 7th and 8th May 2005, at or near the University of Waterloo, Canada, before the Networking 2005 conference.
The second TC6 meeting in 2005 is expected to be held in the Autumn in either Wroclaw or Poznan, Poland (see also AP62/19).
18. AOB
Action Point (AP62/21):	All: to consider agenda items for the Bangkok TC meeting.
TC6 thanked Ioannis Stravakakis for the excellent organization of the TC6 meeting.

OUTSTANDING ACTION POINTS
Action Point (AP60/12):	Dominique Gaiti: to complete and send in the ERF for Netcon’03.
Action Point (AP61/9):	Dominique Gaiti: to send the names of the Steering Committee for Netcon to Otto Spaniol.
Action Point (AP61/10):	Dominique Gaiti: to send the names of the Steering Committee for IWAN to Otto Spaniol.
Action Point (AP61/11):	Volker Tschammer: to send the names of the Steering Committee for I3E to Otto Spaniol.
Action Point (AP61/12):	Guy Omidyar: to send the names of the Steering Committee for MWCN to Otto Spaniol.
Action Point (AP61/17):	Guy Pujolle: to continue to look for a host for the Workshop on Network Signalling.
Action Point (AP62/01):	Guy Pujolle: to update the membership list for WG 6.2.
Action Point (AP62/02):	Ioannis Stavrakakis: to update the membership list for WG 6.3.
Action Point (AP62/03):	Guy Leduc: to check the royalties from Springer for QoS’03 and QoS’04.
Action Point (AP62/04):	Guy Omidyar: to report on the Tashkent conference.
Action Point (AP62/05):	Otto Spaniol: to thank Herbert Leithold for his work.
Action Point (AP62/06):	Peter Radford, in conjunction with Augusto Casaca: to update the event statistics.
Action Point (AP62/07):	The digital library task force: to decide who should act as chairman of the task force and to start work.
Action Point (AP62/08):	All: to consider whether they have conferences that could be beta tests of ConfWork.
Action Point (AP62/09):	All: to inform André Danthine whether they think an interface to ConfMan would be beneficial.
Action Point (AP62/10):	<not existing>
Action Point (AP62/11):	Raouf Boutaba and Dipak Khakhar to consider raising publication problems with the IFIP Publications Committee.
Action Point (AP62/12):	Otto Spaniol to contact Guy Omidyar and ask what is happening.
Action Point (AP62/13):	Ramon Puigjaner to look for a successor as Working Group Chairman.
Action Point (AP62/14):	All: to consider the Aims and Scope for WG 6.10.
Action Point (AP62/15):	Volker Tschammer to contact Radu Popescu-Zeletin and see if dates can be changed.
Action Point (AP62/16):	Working Group Chairmen: to advise Otto Spaniol of any budget requirements.
Action Point (AP62/17):	Otto Spaniol: to prepare and submit a budget for 2005 based on that for 2004.
Action Point (AP62/18):	Otto Spaniol: to prepare and distribute the updated calendar, including “standard” events for 2006.
Action Point (AP62/19):	Adam Grzech: to provide further details of the Internet Technology and Applications conference and the possible TC meeting in Autumn 2005.
Action Point (AP62/20):	Working Group Chairmen: to check the revised calendar and advise Otto Spaniol of any updates.
Action Point (AP62/21):	All: to consider agenda items for the Bangkok TC meeting.